Loaiza21 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I was wondering if we made Ozzie Guillen our new manager could we possibly lure Luis Castillo to the South Side? I heard Ozzie has a good relationship with the players, especially latin american players. Maybe Ozzie could bring over a few Marlins to the White Sox? Maybe Castillo, and in a perfect world Pudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 You do have a good point there. I think if Guillen was the manager it would probably have a positive affect on the chances of getting Castillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Holy f***ing s***!!! I never thought of that. Wow, that would be a huge benefit for Ozzie. I heard Cito has a good relationship with players too, who could he help us get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I'd settle for Castillo. Pudge will be out of our price range -- and he's going to want too many years guaranteed. But Castillo brings a number of plusses: left-handed. speed. ability to hit high in the order. Might even be able to play SS. only question would be his price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I'd settle for Castillo. Pudge will be out of our price range -- and he's going to want too many years guaranteed. But Castillo brings a number of plusses: left-handed. speed. ability to hit high in the order. Might even be able to play SS. only question would be his price. I'd pay his price for all of that, plus postseason expierence, plus I have never heard of him having any on or off field problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 That's a great idea. Anyway to get Castillo, I'm for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted October 12, 2003 Author Share Posted October 12, 2003 If we could sign Castillo and Orlando Cabrera we'd have enough speed/hitting to get us to the post-season. It would cost about 6-8 million to get either one of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Castillo can't play SS. Why does everyone seem to think he can? Have you ever watched him play the field? His range is not that good and his arm isn't that great either. His steals also took a major decline this season. And don't say it's because of McKeon, because Juan Pierre led the major leagues in steals. Castillo is a good player, not a great player. Definitely not an all-star player. Spend money elsewhere, not on a second baseman who is simply not going to win or lose the division for you like a high impact pitcher could have the chance to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 "His steals also took a major decline this season. And don't say it's because of McKeon, because Juan Pierre led the major leagues in steals." It has almost everything to do with McKeon and his coach style. The Marlins, as a whole, were running crazy before McKeon got there, but once he came they almost completely stopped. Pierre, for example, had 41 SB in the 1st half and only 21 in the 2nd half. Why? McKeon isn't a running manager. Still Catillo's 19 CS is not good any way that you spin it, however, his speed in general is undisputed and would certainly answer a major weakness for the Sox. "Castillo is a good player, not a great player. Definitely not an all-star player" A .300+ average, .360+ OBP, 30+ steals, and solid D in 4 of the last 5 years is hard to argue with. Castillo is one of the top 2B in the game. Not only that but he addresses the major weaknesses on offense(higher OBP, more speed, and a true leadoff hitter). For anything less then 8M/yr and Castillo would be a GREAT addition. Pitching is something that shouldn't be neglected, however, the Sox starting pitching was in the top 4 in the AL. The Sox offense was ranked 8th in runs scored. So you have to realize that the offense needs tinkering and the starting pitching needs to be similar(get a solid replacement for Colon and get better production from the 5th starter is realistic and would net the Sox similar numbers from the starting pitching). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 It has almost everything to do with McKeon and his coach style. The Marlins, as a whole, were running crazy before McKeon got there, but once he came they almost completely stopped. Pierre, for example, had 41 SB in the 1st half and only 21 in the 2nd half. Why? McKeon isn't a running manager. Still Catillo's 19 CS is not good any way that you spin it, however, his speed in general is undisputed and would certainly answer a major weakness for the Sox. McKeon was manager for nearly 3/4 of the season. I believe he became manager on May 11th. While McKeon may not stress running, you helped me prove my point further when you said that Castillo was caught stealing 19 times this season. Look at his numbers in season's before, he stole way more bases. There's no reason his numbers should be declining in that dept, yet they are. And as I said earlier, he's not an all-star. He may be a good player, not a great player. Unlike most people, I am not for signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 "you helped me prove my point further when you said that Castillo was caught stealing 19 times this season." What point are you trying to prove? That his base stealing has decreased? I am sorry but a decrease in 1 year isn't cause for concern. The fact remains that he is one of the faster guys in the league. Always among the league leaders in infield hits and has stolen 50+ bases twice before. His 19 CS tells me that he needs to improve his base stealing. One of the things lacking offensively was speed, and Castillo addresses that in a big way. That is my point. "And as I said earlier, he's not an all-star." Please define what an AS 2B is, because I certainly think a .300+ average, .360+ OBP, 30+ SB, and solid D is AS calibur numbers. I might be mistaken, but I believe he has been an AS before. The Sox have a weakness in the middle infield and top of the order and Castillo addresses both needs. He would be a great addition any way that you slice it. "Unlike most people, I am not for signing him." Why? If you can get him for around 6-7M/yr, than that would be a great addition. Which would you rather have? Colon(13M) Alomar(3M) or LHernandez(6M) Castillo(7M) 3M to address other needs To me the answer is simple. The Sox are an organization that can't afford to dedicate large sums of money to 1 player, like Colon(or Maggs for that matter). The Sox need to improve their balance, and they can't do it by giving players large contracts. Besides, the Sox starting pitching was a strength and the offense was slightly below average. If you add a player like Castillo instead of Alomar, than you will see an instant increase in offense. If you sign LHernandez instead of Colon you only have a slight decrease that should be made up and then some by an increase from the 5th starter(assuming someone like Shoey puts up numbers similar to his career averages as a starter). This team would be more balanced and more talented with LHernandez and Castillo instead of Colon and Alomar, plus you have an extra 3M to put to other weaknesses(maybe a dominating right handed reliever). Thats why signing Castillo would be wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Just for the record Castillo was an All-Star this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Castillo can't play SS. Why does everyone seem to think he can? Have you ever watched him play the field? His range is not that good and his arm isn't that great either. His steals also took a major decline this season. And don't say it's because of McKeon, because Juan Pierre led the major leagues in steals. Castillo is a good player, not a great player. Definitely not an all-star player. Spend money elsewhere, not on a second baseman who is simply not going to win or lose the division for you like a high impact pitcher could have the chance to do. this is the post I most agree with here - if he gets on base right now he will be very popular in my household... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Castillo - what was that at bat about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Just for the record Castillo was an All-Star this year. Who wasn't an all-star this year, there were about 60 of them. Also, he was a replacement for an injured player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Castillo's asking price has probably just doubled with this years preformance... In other words he is out of our range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I was wondering if we made Ozzie Guillen our new manager could we possibly lure Luis Castillo to the South Side? I heard Ozzie has a good relationship with the players, especially latin american players. Maybe Ozzie could bring over a few Marlins to the White Sox? Maybe Castillo, and in a perfect world Pudge. I think someone posted on here that there is a decent chance that Guillen will join the White Sox as a 3B coach next year....or atleast I thought I read that anyways. So take that for what it's worth. Also....IRod(because there is only 1 Pudge, and his last name starts with 'F' and ends with 'isk') switched agents this year. His new agent is Scott Boras. Or in other words, forget about Ivan for next year....or probably for every year after next year. We ain't getting him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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