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If this team kept Sully, Brought in Hawkins, brought in Millwood/Ponson and a 5th starter. Mix that with spending maybe 3-4 mill at shortstop and I'd be extremely happy.

 

If they had to deal Konerko/Koch/Maggs/Lose Thomas then I wouldn't be concerned. I'm assuming they would get value for Maggs.

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If they had to deal Konerko/Koch/Maggs/Lose Thomas then I wouldn't be concerned.  I'm assuming they would get value for Maggs.

If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.

Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once.

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.

Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once.

Crap, sorry I meant Atlanta this year.

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.

Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once.

Crap, sorry I meant Atlanta this year.

:lol:

 

No problem. I meant to say World Series instead of divisions. We all make mistakes.

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

All of his quotes seem to say he wants to build his team around pitching, pitching, speed, defense, and more pitching. And I for one back that idea to the Nth degree. Now I hope they follow through with it.

 

I will have an open mind this offseason if they deal some of the socalled stars to make room for pitching and talented speedsters. The only thing I care about is the product on the field and I don't care what they have to do to get the right combination out there. :headbang

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If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn.

 

Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.

I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.

Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once.

Cleveland had no competition.

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Here is a list of free agent pitchers for next season. Who do you guys like... and who do you think would fit in our equation.

 

(STARTERS)

Bartolo Colon

Kevin Milwood

Greg Maddux

Sidney Ponson

Andy Pettite

Cory Lidle

Kelvim Escobar

Pedro Astacio

Kevin Appier

Brian Anderson

Ismael Valdes

John Burkett

Kenny Rogers

Jose Lima

Wilson Alvarez

Shawn Estes

Jeff D’Amico

Sterling Hitchcock

Robert Person

Garrett Stephenson

Glendon Rusch

Rick Helling

Ron Villone

(Possible Non-Tenders)

Freddy Garcia, A.J. Burnett, Tony Armas Jr., Orlando Hernandez, Jason Johnson, Brett Tomko, Scott Elarton, Ryan Dempster

 

(RELIEVERS)

Keith Foulke

Tom Gordon

Eddie Guardado

Latroy Hawkins

Rod Beck

Tim Worrell

Armando Benitez

Shigitoshi Hasagawa

Jose Mesa

Jeff Nelson

Mike Timlin

Arthur Rhodes

Dave Veres

Curtis Leskanic

Antonio Alfonseca

Terry Adams

Julian Tavarez

Dan Plesac

Steve Kline

Antonio Osuna

Bobby Howry

(Possible Non-Tenders)

Jose Jimenez, Danys Baez, Cliff Politte, Scott Sauerbeck, Scott Strickland, Scott Schoeneweis, Valerio De Los Santos, John Halama, Jaret Wright, Tanyon Sturtze, Dennys Reyes

 

(Pitchers with Options)

Esteban Loaiza - RHP White Sox - $3.5 million team option with a $150,000 buyout

Derek Lowe - RHP Red Sox - $5 million team option with a $500,000 buyout

Hideo Nomo - RHP Dodgers - $8 million team option with a $1.5 million buyout

Russ Ortiz - RHP Braves - $5.7 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

David Wells - LHP Yankees - $6 million team option with a $1 million buyout

Miguel Batista - RHP Diamondbacks - $5 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

Jeff Suppan - RHP Red Sox - $4 million team option with a $500,000 buyout

Pat Hentgen - RHP Orioles - $4 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

Robb Nen - RHP Giants - $9 million player option

Matt Mantei - RHP Diamondbacks - $7 million player option

Trevor Hoffman - RHP Padres - $10 million team option with a $2 million buyout

Gabe White - LHP Yankees - $3.5 million team option with a $250,000 buyout

Scott Sullivan - RHP White Sox - $3.1 million team option with a $250,000 buyout

Rheal Cormier - LHP Philles - $3 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

Felix Rodriguez - RHP Giants - $5 million team option, $3.05 million player option

Mike DeJean - RHP Cardinals - $2.5 million team option with a $200,000 buyout

Mike Williams - RHP Phillies - $4 million team option with a $1.5 million buyout

Mark Guthrie - LHP Cubs - $2.2 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

Steve Reed - RHP Rockies - $1.15 million team option with a $300,000 buyout

Felix Heredia - LHP Yankees - $1.7 million player option with a $350,000 buyout

Kerry Ligtenberg - RHP Orioles - $1.2 million team option with a $200,000 buyout

Joey Eischen - LHP Expos - $1.3 million team option with a $50,000 buyout

Ray King - LHP Braves - $1 million team option with a $100,000 buyout

Jeff Fassero - LHP Cardinals - $1.5 million team option with a $250,000 buyout

Rick White - RHP Astros - $1.3 million team option with a $150,000 buyout

As for the Starters I would to pickup 2 Colon and Either Ponson, Pettite heck or even Maddux.

 

As a leser pickup Brian Anderson or Kelvim Escobar are OK

 

As for the Pen..

 

Gordon, Hawkins or even Hasegawa.

 

Non tenders that interest me Freddy Garcia mand Danys Baez and if A.J Burnet would be ok......

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I feel like all of you guys do when you read that list - I salivate, close my eyes, dream, and then sigh. We have to remember that we are still dealing with a limited payroll. Believe me, Kenny will do everything but run through a brick wall to keep Bartolo Colon. But if he doesn't, then he will slightly lean for quantity over quality - meaning he'll go out and sign two "mid-range" FA's who could win anywhere from 14-20 games potentially.

 

I want Bartolo back, but if we CAN'T get him back, then two solid quality starters would be a viable alternative. Look at it this way - Bartolo Colon and Wright/Rauch/Cotts would theoretically win 26-28 games combined next year. If we sign two quality "mid-range" guys, we could still get 26-28 wins combined - OR MORE.

 

For the first time in 4 years, I have complete faith in Kenny Williams.

 

Did I just say that? :o

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I guess people around here hate me so much that they don't even respond to this topic - no matter how important it is to the future of our team. 

 

Okay!

 

I  won't stop posting - I will continue to haunt and bother all of you losers who couldn't assemble a major league roster if your ass was gold. 

 

Since you're not reading, then I guess it won't insult you if I say - f*** YOU!!!

 

And SUCK MY ASS.

Whoa dude. Don't take it personally. Sometimes a thread just dies. It happens all the time.

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