Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, mqr said: Leury's a lot more expensive and only under control for a year, you'd have Kemp for 4 (maybe 5, I don't trust my math). They're otherwise pretty similar in their usefulness imo Leury doesn't make much only $1.5 million this year, and also plays SS and 3B, and switch hits. He's a more valuable player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Leury doesn't make much only $1.5 million this year, and also plays SS and 3B, and switch hits. He's a more valuable player Fine, you win that point. I would still much rather have Tony Kemp than any of Rondon, Tilson, Cordell, Reed, Yolmer, Engel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) He's essentially Leury Garcia, I'm ok with that. He'd be an ok replacement for him. Maybe he's a late bloomer like Leury? (2018 aside) Edited July 25, 2019 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Someone will nab Kemp Before he gets to the Sox on waivers. If they want to get him, they are going to have to give something up. Probably worth exploring though. Edited July 25, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Someone will nab Kemp Before he gets to the Sox on waivers. If they want to get him, they are going to have to give something up. Probably worth exploring though. The Sox should definitely be willing to give up some non-prospect for Kemp. He can play all over and would make an acceptable starting 2B until Madrigal hits his Kris Bryant deadline next year and then he would make a fine utility bench the rest of the way. Edited July 26, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Leury doesn't make much only $1.5 million this year, and also plays SS and 3B, and switch hits. He's a more valuable player True, but Leury is only under control for one more year. He is probably a valuable trade chip right now. I have no problem with moving Leury just like Colome with only one year of control remaining, if the return looks pretty good. If the return is right, I'd be all for moving Leury and going with Kemp and Mendick as your backup infielder/utility guys next season. Edited July 26, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: True, but Leury is only under control for one more year. He is probably a valuable trade chip right now. I have no problem with moving Leury just like Colome with only one year of control remaining, if the return looks pretty good. If the return is right, I'd be all for moving Leury and going with Kemp and Mendick as your backup infielder/utility guys next season. Leury is a nice player. Good hitter. We do not need Kemp. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 He's as interesting as Mazarra, whom people want to trade real prospects for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, greg775 said: Leury is a nice player. Good hitter. We do not need Kemp. Pass. Well considering you specialize in inverse logic I would say we should get him. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: He's as interesting as Mazarra, whom people want to trade real prospects for. The most anyone offered was Fulmer and Hansen. Everyone is shitting on the idea of acquiring Mazara at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: The Sox should definitely be willing to give up some non-prospect for Kemp. He can play all over and would make an acceptable starting 2B until Madrigal hits his Kris Bryant deadline next year and then he would make a fine utility bench the rest of the way. It will probably take more than a "non prospect". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 14 hours ago, GreenSox said: He's as interesting as Mazarra, whom people want to trade real prospects for. I mean, not really, but I do get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, not really, but I do get your point. Mazara's a pretty consistent .745 OPS guy. That's not particularly good. Kemp is .725, a little less than not particularly good, but he plays more positions and has more control ( all of which makes him more interesting to me). Edited July 26, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, GreenSox said: Mazar's a pretty consistent .745 OPS guy. That's not particularly good. Kemp is .725, a little less than not much, but he plays more positions and has more control ( all of which makes him more interesting to me). Mazara is four years young and has significantly better tools. There is a reason dream on Mazara, Kemp is probably what he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Mazara is four years young and has significantly better tools. There is a reason dream on Mazara, Kemp is probably what he is. Mazara's played in the league for 4 years full-time and he's been remarkably consistent. 20 homers each of his first 3; on pace for that this season. His OPS has ranged from .729-.753. He may have tools, but in 3.5 seasons they haven't shown up. And there's certainly no reason to believe that this org. is the one to bring them out. Trading for any 2 year player is inane anyway at this point in the build. It's a sideshow that can only hurt long-term. Sign him as a FA in 2 years if we like him. Edited July 26, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 45 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Mazara's played in the league for 4 years full-time and he's been remarkably consistent. 20 homers each of his first 3; on pace for that this season. His OPS has ranged from .729-.753. He may have tools, but in 3.5 seasons they haven't shown up. And there's certainly no reason to believe that this org. is the one to bring them out. Trading for any 2 year player is inane anyway at this point in the build. It's a sideshow that can only hurt long-term. Sign him as a FA in 2 years if we like him. Your narrative is so tired. I too don't want to trade legitimate assets for 2.33 years of Mazara, but depending on the what you'd be giving up, its worth at least exploring. The Sox badly need a LH RF, and while he isn't a perfect fit, he's not an awful option. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Your narrative is so tired. I too don't want to trade legitimate assets for 2.33 years of Mazara, but depending on the what you'd be giving up, its worth at least exploring. The Sox badly need a LH RF, and while he isn't a perfect fit, he's not an awful option. I think GreenSox’s opinion makes a lot of sense. Mazara has been mediocre thus far as a corner outfielder and he is only under control for two more seasons. Even if he does breakout, guess who his agent is? Boras. So he will more than likely be taken to free agency. There won’t be a chance at a reasonable extension if Mazara booms after the Sox acquire him. Edited July 26, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I think GreenSox’s opinion makes a lot of sense. Mazara has been mediocre thus far as a corner outfielder and he is only under control for two more seasons. Even if he does breakout, guess who his agent is? Boras. So he will more than likely be taken to free agency. There won’t be a chance at a reasonable extension if Mazara booms after the Sox acquire him. If the Sox trade minimal for him and he breaks out and is looking at a big payday in 2 years, that isn't exactly a bad thing for a team with a giant hole in RF looking to compete maybe as early as next year. Edited July 26, 2019 by soxfan2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I think GreenSox’s opinion makes a lot of sense. Mazara has been mediocre thus far as a corner outfielder and he is only under control for two more seasons. Even if he does breakout, guess who his agent is? Boras. So he will more than likely be taken to free agency. There won’t be a chance at a reasonable extension if Mazara booms after the Sox acquire him. It's always funny to me when people shit on an idea, but provide no real alternative options. Greensox is quite good at that. Who are your top 3 options to man RF next season? I'd much prefer a guy like Nimmo to Mazara, but he very well may be unavailable. I'd also prefer a guy like Ramiel Tapia who I think is a great fit for our OF, but again - no idea if he's attainable, and certainly would be more expensive than Mazara at this stage, I would think. But its not like there are a bunch of options that are good fits, and the FA RF are not great fits IMO whether due to poor defense, or their handedness - or in most cases both. I am not proposing the Sox offer anything that exciting for Mazara. But if you could get him for something like Fulmer + Hansen (as suggested earlier) or some other comparable package (I think it'd be great to give them a guy or two on the 40 man), I think its worth exploring. I too would prefer someone with longer control, but if the acquisition price isn't steep, he's a decent stopgap option that has a fair amount of upside. Mazara also keeps RF open in 2022 in hopes that someone out of the group of Adolfo, Walker, Gonzalez or Rutherford becomes a legit option there. Texas is still 1 game over .500, so maybe they'd even move him for some guys on the MLB roster. Doubtful, but you never now, Edited July 26, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said: I think GreenSox’s opinion makes a lot of sense. Mazara has been mediocre thus far as a corner outfielder and he is only under control for two more seasons. Even if he does breakout, guess who his agent is? Boras. So he will more than likely be taken to free agency. There won’t be a chance at a reasonable extension if Mazara booms after the Sox acquire him. I don't want any Boris clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 18 hours ago, GreenSox said: He's as interesting as Mazarra, whom people want to trade real prospects for. Disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 The Sox should absolutely put in a claim. He's a huge upgrade over Sanchez and Rondon and puts Yolmer back in the utility IF position where he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 36 minutes ago, poppysox said: I don't want any Boris clients. Well that's a bad philosophy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Cubs get him for Martin Maldanado. @soxfan2014 another example of a DFA'd player not going immediately on waivers.... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Traded for Martin Maldonado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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