Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, turnin' two said: The question I keep asking about getting rid of Abreu remains, who are you going to replace him with that is better? God willing, Andrew Vaughn. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 We could sure use another Jose Abreu thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: We could sure use another Jose Abreu thread. Have you not noticed what has happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Have you not noticed what has happened? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: We could sure use another Jose Abreu thread. Thread Necromancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: What? Someone combined all of the Abreu threads int this soliloquy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Why does it have the Fox News motto now in the thread title?...I guess someone has a sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 27 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: God willing, Andrew Vaughn. Well, yeah, but there can't be any real expectation of that happening next year right? Maybe not even to start 2021, though hopefully at some point. But even with Vaughn playing 1B, they still will need a DH (provided Eloy stays in LF). It is because of this that I see a 2 year extension as a good possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, turnin' two said: Well, yeah, but there can't be any real expectation of that happening next year right? Maybe not even to start 2021, though hopefully at some point. But even with Vaughn playing 1B, they still will need a DH (provided Eloy stays in LF). It is because of this that I see a 2 year extension as a good possibility. Should be aiming higher than a 100 wRC+ DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: Should be aiming higher than a 100 wRC+ DH. Ok. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Ok. Who? Grandal is the best fit. And better yet, he can catch too! Justin Smoak kinda sucks, but could probably do worse than him on a cheap one year deal if he is paired with Grandal and a legit RF acquistion. Need some lefty bats, and he takes his walks. Edited August 2, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Maybe it's just the day drinking, but I enjoyed this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Ok. Who? Idk, but I'm not locking in a guy who isn't hitting well enough to DH now and only figures to get worse for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Ok. Who? CJ Cron and Nick Castellanos are free agents this year. they are younger and a good bet to be better than Abreu next year. Edited August 2, 2019 by GermanSoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said: CJ Cron and Nick Castellanos are free agents this year. they are younger and a good bet to be better than Abreu next year. Cron is not going to be a FA unless he is non-tendered again, and I kind of doubt he will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: Cron is not going to be a FA unless he is non-tendered again, and I kind of doubt he will be. My mistake, he signed a 1yr deal, but he is still arb eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mqr said: Idk, but I'm not locking in a guy who isn't hitting well enough to DH now and only figures to get worse for 2 years. Cool. This is how you get Reed, Skole, Palka and other AAAA fodder. You don't let a productive player go because he could be replaced with someone better hypothetically. You have to have a strategy. And you have to execute it. 12 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Grandal is the best fit. And better yet, he can catch too! He would be a good fit. In theory you would be sacrificing some power production (thought not a ton) for better BB (and of course OBP) numbers. But he would certainly be a reasonable substitution for Abreu. Then the question becomes how much more does he cost, and is it worth the incremental increase in production. If they could get Abreu for 2/25 or something, and Grandal for 4/60, is Grandal clearly the better value? Castellanos, in my opinion, is not a clear upgrade. He has similar OPS and wRC numbers right now. His BB and K numbers are very similar to Abreu, and his power numbers are lagging behind. His career high in HR is 26, I know Comerica and all, but he seems he seems overvalued. I don't get the love affair with him at all. I get that he is younger, but again, what will he cost? Because his production will probably not out run Abreu by much, and if he demands twice many years or significantly higher AAV, I don't think he would be the best use of money. Edited August 2, 2019 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just now, turnin' two said: Cool. This is how you get Reed, Skole, Palka and other AAAA fodder. You don't let a productive player go because he could be replaced with someone better hypothetically. You have to have a strategy. And you have to execute it. He would be a good fit. In theory you would be sacrificing some power production (thought not a ton) for better BB (and of course OBP) numbers. But he would certainly be a reasonable substitution for Abreu. Then the question becomes how much more does he cost, and is it worth the incremental increase in production. If they could get Abreu for 2/25 or something, and Grandal for 4/60, is Grandal clearly the better value? Yes, Grandal at 4/$60M is a WAYYYYYY better value than Abreu at 2/$25M. I think Grandal is closer to 3/$60M or 4/$70-75M, and Abreu closer to 1/$10 or 1/$18M, though. I am going to lose my shit if the Sox waste $25M on Abreu. IF you want to bring him back on a short term deal fine. But it should be like a 1 year $8M deal with a $10M club option. If they give him more than 2/$18M, they're just flushing money down the toilet. You could do both though. DH is open. 1B is open. McCann probably shouldn't catch everyday. Grandal and Abreu is doable, but most definitely need a left handed RF Then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) Just look at a list of free agent corner outfield/1B/DH guys that will be available this offseason and sign one to a cheap one year deal to split time at 1B with Collins. Preferably a lefty. Then if Vaughn tears his way through the minors, you call him up towards the end of next year if you need him. Edited August 2, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Yes, Grandal at 4/$60M is a WAYYYYYY better value than Abreu at 2/$25M. I think Grandal is closer to 3/$60M or 4/$70-75M, and Abreu closer to 1/$10 or 1/$18M, though. I am going to lose my shit if the Sox waste $25M on Abreu. IF you want to bring him back on a short term deal fine. But it should be like a 1 year $8M deal with a $10M club option. If they give him more than 2/$18M, they're just flushing money down the toilet. You could do both though. DH is open. 1B is open. McCann probably shouldn't catch everyday. Grandal and Abreu is doable, but most definitely need a left handed RF Then. Grandal is a switch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Just look at a list of free agent corner outfield/1B/DH guys that will be available this offseason and sign one to a cheap one year deal to split time at 1B with Collins. Preferably a lefty. Just that easy huh. Silly me. Jose Abreu (33) Matt Adams (31) — $TBD mutual option with a $1MM buyout Yonder Alonso (33) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout Lucas Duda (34) David Freese (37) Brad Miller (30) Mitch Moreland (34) Steve Pearce (37) Mark Reynolds (36) Anthony Rizzo (30) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout Justin Smoak (33) Eric Thames (33) — $7.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout Neil Walker (34) Ryan Zimmerman (35) — $18MM club option with a $2MM buyout There is the list. Abreu looks like he may be the best hitter of the bunch. And if you are splitting time with Collins, since he is a LHH, you'd probably want a RHH. Edited August 2, 2019 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Cool. This is how you get Reed, Skole, Palka and other AAAA fodder. You don't let a productive player go because he could be replaced with someone better hypothetically. You have to have a strategy. And you have to execute it. I'm not saying let him go, I'm saying if he's your best option then give him 1 year 10 mil for 2020. He's not getting more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 If you want to you could sign the ageless wonders Cruz or Encarnacion as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, turnin' two said: Just that easy huh. Silly me. Jose Abreu (33) Matt Adams (31) — $TBD mutual option with a $1MM buyout Yonder Alonso (33) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout Lucas Duda (34) David Freese (37) Brad Miller (30) Mitch Moreland (34) Steve Pearce (37) Mark Reynolds (36) Anthony Rizzo (30) — $14.5MM club option with a $2MM buyout Justin Smoak (33) Eric Thames (33) — $7.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout Neil Walker (34) Ryan Zimmerman (35) — $18MM club option with a $2MM buyout There is the list. Abreu looks like he may be the best hitter of the bunch. And if you are splitting time with Collins, since he is a LHH, you'd probably want a RHH. They don't need to platoon. Just sort of switch between 1B and DH. And Collins can catch once or twice a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Grandal is a switch hitter. Yes, I am aware. Basically saying you resign Abreu for 1B/DH, the RF HAS to be a switch hitter or lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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