Dick Allen Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) Only the White Sox can downgrade defensively when they rid themselves of Avi. impressive. Edited March 15, 2019 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 42 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Only the White Sox can downgrade defensively when they rid themselves of Avi. impressive. Is Jay worse than Avi? I didn't think that as the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Is Jay worse than Avi? I didn't think that as the case. No but Jay is worse than Engel and Palka is worse than Avi, so the whole OF gets a downgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: No but Jay is worse than Engel and Palka is worse than Avi, so the whole OF gets a downgrade. Got it now. I think the increased offense of Jay and Jimenez will be worth this downgrade. The defense will go down but overall WAR will go up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Got it now. I think the increased offense of Jay and Jimenez will be worth this downgrade. The defense will go down but overall WAR will go up. Well yeah, Jiminez alone will be an improvement over whatever it was we put out in LF last year (Seriously this is amazing, leftfield by PAs, Delmonico - 268, Leury 103, Tilson 99, Palka 96, LaMarre 50, Thompson 17) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Well yeah, Jiminez alone will be an improvement over whatever it was we put out in LF last year (Seriously this is amazing, leftfield by PAs, Delmonico - 268, Leury 103, Tilson 99, Palka 96, LaMarre 50, Thompson 17) Welcome to rebuilding. I also think Jay will out produce what Engel did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 Abreu is sporting a very disappointing .290 OBP currently. It is no secret that he is on the decline. The dude can't field and is losing the ability to hit. Given our options for a 1st baseman and DH, do you see any reason to resign him? We've got Collins and Vaughn coming up in the near future. There are DH options in free agency like JD Martinez. Does Jose serve any purpose for this team next season and beyond? I think you gotta let him walk. He's a liability, especially when he demands that he play 1st base and not DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I wouldn't give him more an a QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: I wouldn't give him more an a QO. I wonder if there is any chance he denies the QO. I'm not sure any team signs him if they have to abandon a 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I think your best chance to have a killer offense going forward is Vaughn at 1B, JDM at DH and Eloy in LF. The goal should be to put together the best offense possible, and not just keep someone around because they're "good for the clubhouse". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I'd be okay with having him next year just because we aren't going to have much there. 2 years from now not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Ah, here's the Ron jinx thread. Looking forward to Abreu getting hot now. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Ah, here's the Ron jinx thread. Looking forward to Abreu getting hot now. I would love for that to be the case. However, I don't see it happening. Father time is undefeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I’d give him a one year deal that’s about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ron883 said: Abreu is sporting a very disappointing .290 OBP currently. It is no secret that he is on the decline. The dude can't field and is losing the ability to hit. Given our options for a 1st baseman and DH, do you see any reason to resign him? We've got Collins and Vaughn coming up in the near future. There are DH options in free agency like JD Martinez. Does Jose serve any purpose for this team next season and beyond? I think you gotta let him walk. He's a liability, especially when he demands that he play 1st base and not DH. Hahn has publicly hinted recently that he expects Jose' to be with the organization for a long time. I personally think they will extend him. Not saying that's good or bad, that's the world of the White Sox. Oh and getting J.D. Martinez to sign here is a fantasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, ron883 said: I would love for that to be the case. However, I don't see it happening. Father time is undefeated. He has a .267 BABIP and his career mark is .324, he's due for some positive regression. That said, he serves no purpose after the Vaughn pick and with Collins knocking on the door. It might make sense to keep him for one more year (since Vaughn probably won't be ready *that* soon), but after 2020 I think there's no longer a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: He has a .267 BABIP and his career mark is .324, he's due for some positive regression. That said, he serves no purpose after the Vaughn pick and with Collins knocking on the door. It might make sense to keep him for one more year (since Vaughn probably won't be ready *that* soon), but after 2020 I think there's no longer a fit. Always prefer to trade a year to early rather than a year to late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Always prefer to trade a year to early rather than a year to late. We obviously need to see how Abreu finishes the season, but the Sox should be far too smart to pay an aging Abreu anywhere close to market rate. Too soon to make a 2020 decision yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, ron883 said: I would love for that to be the case. However, I don't see it happening. Father time is undefeated. father time is undefeated? someone has obviously forgotten about the PED era. when there are millions to be made, better living through chemistry rears its ugly head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Yawn, another Ron Abreu thread. There is zero chance the Sox give Abreu the QO. In fact, I'd probably offer him 2 years $18M right now, which may be under the QO value this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) I wouldn't offer him more than 1 year for $10M, and I wouldn't bring him back after that. Vaughn is going to man 1B for the next decade, so Abreu has become redundant. Eloy and Collins can share DH. I really like 2014-2017 Abreu. 2018-19 Abreu is marginal. Edited June 12, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Yawn, another Ron Abreu thread. There is zero chance the Sox give Abreu the QO. In fact, I'd probably offer him 2 years $18M right now, which may be under the QO value this year. Abreu would snatch up a QO so fast it would make your head spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, mqr said: Abreu would snatch up a QO so fast it would make your head spin Especially if he finishes with a 260/290/480 line. He never learned to take his walks, and that is going to haunt him as he ages and his average continues to decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 I wouldn't say he's losing his ability to hit. His HR's and doubles are rather normal. He'll probably finish with a nice season slugging % wise. He can't take walks well and that's starting to rear its head a bit. However, its like this forum really roots against Abreu sometimes. lol. Some are so quick and almost seemingly excited to proclaim his career over with. All he would need is a little run right now (not even a gargantuan one) to push his numbers up towards the impressive realm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 How about a 1 year contract with an option year 2? Doubtful that Vaughan is up next year, at least not at the beginning of the year. Plus the option year might yield more in a trade next year if Jose gets hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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