ron883 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, greg775 said: I can buy that. I'm not against the Sox trying to pay the going rate for Jose. Is that 3/27? That'd be fine with me, too. Why 3 years? The guy will be lucky to get 1y/12m. I know you love him Greg, but the truth is guys like him just aren't worth much. He's a dime a dozen type player. Edited June 18, 2019 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Abreu really hasn’t held much trade value and it won’t get any better as he ages. If you want to keep him around until Vaughn is ready, it makes more sense to only keep him around for as short term as he will agree to. Why go 3 years if he would take 1-2 years? Vaughn and Abreu could alternate between 1B and DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, elrockinMT said: Vaughn and Abreu could alternate between 1B and DH Abreu needs to stop playing 1st by next year. If he's a team player, he'll take the full time DH role. The guy is an absolute hack at 1st. It's a disservice to our pitchers that he even gets burn there anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Vaughn and Abreu could alternate between 1B and DH Abreu isn’t very good at 1B right now. He’s not going to improve with age. If both Vaughn and Abreu are ever on the same team, Abreu should be getting the Frank Thomas treatment. Edited June 18, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, ron883 said: Why 3 years? The guy will be lucky to get 1y/12m. I know you love him Greg, but the truth is guys like him just aren't worth much. He's a dime a dozen type player. 35+ HRs & 100+ RBIs do not go for a dime a dozen. Greg and I are talking 9 mil per. That's not out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: 35+ HRs & 100+ RBIs do not go for a dime a dozen. Greg and I are talking 9 mil per. That's not out of line. It looks like he will do it this year but Abreu has hit 35+ homers (36 to be exact) once in his career, in his rookie season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ron883 said: Why 3 years? The guy will be lucky to get 1y/12m. I know you love him Greg, but the truth is guys like him just aren't worth much. He's a dime a dozen type player. That's just wrong. He's not a dime a dozen. He knocks in runs in bunches and hits for way better than average power. Why not 3 years? He's probably lying about his age so three years would be fine. Hopefully win it all in year 3 of his deal, then maybe sign him for pennies if he's still producing. Give him his 3 years 30 mill total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, greg775 said: That's just wrong. He's not a dime a dozen. He knocks in runs in bunches and hits for way better than average power. Why not 3 years? He's probably lying about his age so three years would be fine. Hopefully win it all in year 3 of his deal, then maybe sign him for pennies if he's still producing. Give him his 3 years 30 mill total. I don't really get the bolded. If he's lying then why sign him for 3 years? Anyway, you don't sign him for 3 years because you don't need to. You can find guys like him in free agency all the time. Plus, we'll have plenty of hitters with Collins, Vaughn, Burger, Eloy, etc that will be the DH/1B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ron883 said: I don't really get the bolded. If he's lying then why sign him for 3 years? Anyway, you don't sign him for 3 years because you don't need to. You can find guys like him in free agency all the time. Plus, we'll have plenty of hitters with Collins, Vaughn, Burger, Eloy, etc that will be the DH/1B Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: It looks like he will do it this year but Abreu has hit 35+ homers (36 to be exact) once in his career, in his rookie season. What's your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, poppysox said: What's your point. You made it sound like he’s good for 35+ homers a year. That isn’t really the case. He’s done it once in his career and that was his rookie season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said: You made it sound like he’s good for 35+ homers a year. That isn’t really the case. He’s done it once in his career and that was his rookie season. Do you ever make a post of some thought you have about something. It's seems all your post are trying to nitpick what you see as flaws in what others post. Very annoying...and I imagine quite intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I worry how much of a market there will be for him if the Sox want to trade. Not sure Boston, Houston, TB or New York would jump at him. Twins are running away so they may not give much. I think you have to hope an NL team that needs a bat will decide he is okay in the field to get by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, poppysox said: Do you ever make a post of some thought you have about something. It's seems all your post are trying to nitpick what you see as flaws in what others post. Very annoying...and I imagine quite intentional. You said 35+ HR and 100+ RBI don't go for a dime a dozen. Abreu hasn't done that for a long time. Don't post incorrect things if you're going to get butthurt when you get called out for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: Do you ever make a post of some thought you have about something. It's seems all your post are trying to nitpick what you see as flaws in what others post. Very annoying...and I imagine quite intentional. You were misrepresenting Abreu’s production while we are talking about for how long and for what kind of money the Sox should attempt to re-sign Abreu for, if they choose to. It seems very much relative to the conversation so while I was not trying to be annoying, it was intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, ron883 said: You said 35+ HR and 100+ RBI don't go for a dime a dozen. Abreu hasn't done that for a long time. Don't post incorrect things if you're going to get butthurt when you get called out for it. What I said to Moan goes for you to. You spend every post trying to nit pick. Try having an original post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I don't think I've ever seen so much distaste for a player by a group of fans. Let me rephrase that: I haven't seen this much distaste for a good player. I think we can all agree that Jose is not great defensively, and he's not going to get better. But he still hits the crap out baseballs. He's averaged 30+ home runs and 100+ RBIs a year. He's on pace to hit 35 HRs and drive in 110 runs. He's leading the league in RBIs. No one else on the team is on pace to provide as much offense. And then there's the value he has as a leader on and off the field. He's definitely worth keeping around for another year or two. I think we've seen enough to know that we can't count on prospects to step in and do what he does. Joes is a perfect guy to transition this team to where it could and should be over the next couple years. Obviously there's no need to overpay. But with his apparent desire to stay here, I don't see why the Sox shouldn't sign him for another 2 years, maybe $10M per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, poppysox said: Do you ever make a post of some thought you have about something. It's seems all your post are trying to nitpick what you see as flaws in what others post. Very annoying...and I imagine quite intentional. It's called "trolling." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: It's called "trolling." It's annoying. Every topic gets dragged off subject because of 2 or 3 jerks who think they know it all. There are dozens of positives surrounding this ballclub and that gets lost in these petty comments. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: It's called "trolling." Correcting someone when they are wrong is not trolling. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Can we cut the shit about Cubans lying about their age? The island is heavily scouted, especially with international play. I know that as a KU basketball fan, @greg775 is used to sports teams lying about anything and everything to get an advantage, but this shit is old and isn't unique to Cuba. American athletes have lied about their ages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think we need to stop talking about Jose like he is Dunn or Alonso. He may not be a young great player, but he has plenty of value to give this organization on and off the field. You can do a lot worse than Jose Abreu at first or DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: I think we need to stop talking about Jose like he is Dunn or Alonso. He may not be a young great player, but he has plenty of value to give this organization on and off the field. You can do a lot worse than Jose Abreu at first or DH. Agreed, but try to bring him back for the least amount of years as possible. Let’s not pay for his declining years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Agreed, but try to bring him back for the least amount of years as possible. Let’s not pay for his declining years. That makes sense but Jose gave us a chance in our bad years, and deserves a shot to win a ring. I'd give him a three year deal and if he is playing bad, then so be it. Team chemistry and name recognition is still a thing that attracts talent. Especially when you lack national relevance like we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, hogan873 said: I don't think I've ever seen so much distaste for a player by a group of fans. Let me rephrase that: I haven't seen this much distaste for a good player. I think we can all agree that Jose is not great defensively, and he's not going to get better. But he still hits the crap out baseballs. He's averaged 30+ home runs and 100+ RBIs a year. He's on pace to hit 35 HRs and drive in 110 runs. He's leading the league in RBIs. No one else on the team is on pace to provide as much offense. And then there's the value he has as a leader on and off the field. He's definitely worth keeping around for another year or two. I think we've seen enough to know that we can't count on prospects to step in and do what he does. Joes is a perfect guy to transition this team to where it could and should be over the next couple years. Obviously there's no need to overpay. But with his apparent desire to stay here, I don't see why the Sox shouldn't sign him for another 2 years, maybe $10M per. FWIW, I think Jose is extremely popular among Sox fans in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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