Steve9347 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 20 hours ago, greg775 said: Yet he was an All-Star. I'm assuming his WAR (yawn) was just as bad compared to others at the all star break when he got picked. I forget. We Sox fans don't applaud our guys for all star selections unless they are aged 25 or so or having a wild reclamation year like McCann. p.s. Oops I'm in a praise Jose mood today which means I better log off. I am in a mood where i could be baited to express great love of Jose! Oh, we're yawning WAR now. Great argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 20 hours ago, greg775 said: If people want the new analytical stats, then get ALL baseball broadcasts to stop showing BA and RBI and ERA and Wins and Losses. Let me get right on this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, Steve9347 said: Oh, we're yawning WAR now. Great argument. And others are yawning "all star." Doesn't matter. What do they know thinking he's an all star? Remember D-F-A is his grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) On 8/22/2019 at 12:26 PM, chitownsportsfan said: Can we stop this lazy, tired trope? Here is Jose Abreu's last 1100 PA: He's not a "streaky good hitter" he's a "streaky mediocre hitter". And he can't field. And he's aging. Folks, the 140 wRC+ Jose Abreu left the building a few years ago and he's never, ever coming back. Going more than 1 year on him is insane. He's projected as a 1.5 fWAR player. You don't sign 33 year old DHs coming off two seasons of mediocrity to anything other than a one year deal. Hitting .355 this month with an OPS around 1.000. I would say that is streaky good. Edited August 29, 2019 by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Hitting .355 this month with an OPS around 1.000. I would say that is streaky good. Ever notice he never gets a day off? He had another excellent game today. The guy that said he should be D-F-A ... that really has me steamed tonight. Geez, how unfair can one get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Imagine actually believing Jose Abreu is a bad baseball player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Imagine actually believing Jose Abreu is a bad baseball player I really think you have to be an ingrate. I think that's the right word. You have the right to like who you want, but this is a guy I think should be easy to root for and want around. My gosh you don't need 8 superstars all between the ages of 24 and 29 on the field at the same time to field a winner. If Jose Abreu's production isn't good enough for some fans, we probably don't deserve a winner here. Edited August 30, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 10 hours ago, greg775 said: Ever notice he never gets a day off? He had another excellent game today. The guy that said he should be D-F-A ... that really has me steamed tonight. Geez, how unfair can one get? Who cares...everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There are lots more Jose fans than Negative Nellies. Move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, greg775 said: I really think you have to be an ingrate. I think that's the right word. You have the right to like who you want, but this is a guy I think should be easy to root for and want around. My gosh you don't need 8 superstars all between the ages of 24 and 29 on the field at the same time to field a winner. If Jose Abreu's production isn't good enough for some fans, we probably don't deserve a winner here. I can co-sign this post of yours. Ideally he’s the DH but I don’t think there’s any harm in him being our 1B next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 6:50 AM, poppysox said: There are no bad hitters with 100 rbi's or who bat .300. Advanced stats have a role in evaluation but they are not the end all. Albert Pujols had 101 RBI in 2017. A season where he slashed .241/.286/.386. That is a dogshit season that he got to 100 by having the best player maybe ever in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, mqr said: Albert Pujols had 101 RBI in 2017. A season where he slashed .241/.286/.386. That is a dogshit season that he got to 100 by having the best player maybe ever in front of him. So that's how Jose got to 100. I just think sometimes you have to step back at least a tiny bit from WAR and try to be logical. The White Sox have one of the lowest scoring teams in the AL. jose has accounted for a lot of runs. Maybe, just maybe the hate a few have for him is a bit overboard. 3rd quickest White Sox to 1,000 hits, first White Sox player with 30 doubles 6 straight seasons. Edited August 30, 2019 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 52 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So that's how Jose got to 100. I just think sometimes you have to step back at least a tiny bit from WAR and try to be logical. The White Sox have one of the lowest scoring teams in the AL. jose has accounted for a lot of runs. Maybe, just maybe the hate a few have for him is a bit overboard. 3rd quickest White Sox to 1,000 hits, first White Sox player with 30 doubles 6 straight seasons. Yeah, and it's harder to be really productive in a bad lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roofshot Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 5:46 PM, greg775 said: Want to bet? Uh, my mom cares. I can find you a friend out here who cares. So guess what? You are wrong again. You said "no one" which means u wrong. He gets an A+ from me. I could care less what his WAR is.100 RBI in August. Outstanding! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Roofshot said: He gets an A+ from me. I could care less what his WAR is.100 RBI in August. Outstanding! Nice post roofshot! Join the Jose supporters club! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roofshot Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 20 hours ago, greg775 said: Nice post roofshot! Join the Jose supporters club! .280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Roofshot said: .280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. Yolmer is clearly the superior player. WAR is perfect! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 10:34 AM, Roofshot said: .280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. Somehow they put those on a scoreboard and whatever team has the most RBIs in a game wins. They haven't done that for WAR yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 9:57 AM, Dick Allen said: So that's how Jose got to 100. Just so someone points this out...Jose Abreu has the most ABs with RISP in the American League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Just so someone points this out...Jose Abreu has the most ABs with RISP in the American League. Just so someone points this out, he is hitting .352/.381/.620 for those ABs. Edited September 2, 2019 by Dick Allen 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Just so someone points this out, he is hitting .352/.381/.620 for those ABs. Boy...you don't know what to believe when everybody uses facts to make their point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abreujo02.shtml Can someone explain why Jose's OPS is identical in 2016 and 2019, but he has a 124 OPS+ in 2016 and a 114+ OPS in 2019 despite better cumulative stats (except walks)? Can that all be park factor differential???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Greg Hibbard said: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abreujo02.shtml Can someone explain why Jose's OPS is identical in 2016 and 2019, but he has a 124 OPS+ in 2016 and a 114+ OPS in 2019 despite better cumulative stats (except walks)? Can that all be park factor differential???? League wide offense is way up from 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/abreujo02.shtml Can someone explain why Jose's OPS is identical in 2016 and 2019, but he has a 124 OPS+ in 2016 and a 114+ OPS in 2019 despite better cumulative stats (except walks)? Can that all be park factor differential???? His OBP has dropped dramatically and being on base is more valuable for generating runs than slugging. OPS treats them equally by just adding; any system scaled to how productive you are cares about 1 point of OBP more than 1 point of slugging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: His OBP has dropped dramatically and being on base is more valuable for generating runs than slugging. OPS treats them equally by just adding; any system scaled to how productive you are cares about 1 point of OBP more than 1 point of slugging. So it values walks more than xbh's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said: So it values walks more than xbh's? No because an extra base hit counts for both. If you had the same amount of walks and more extra base hits your OBP would go up also. Basically, getting on base (home to first) is more valuable than going from first to second on your own because someone else can move you from first to home once you're on base. If you're on first base or on 2nd base, you score on a home run no matter how slow you are, but if you're out, you don't score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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