Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) This may be the most egregious stubbornness ever by a public scouting department. As the year comes to a close and their final scouting adjustments have been made, Robert has maintained his 30 game power grade. To put this in perspective Nick Madrigals game power grade right now is a 40. It is one of the most stubborn stances I've seen and their rationale is comically bad. Luis Robert remains behind Cristian pache by a full FV level as a CF prospect despite being only 1 year older, and performing 70% better offensively and grading out/projecting to be a top tier defensive CF'er. Fangraphs has not moved Robert a single ranking (he remains as their 20th prospect) despite having not just the loudest tools in MiLB but also the loudest production while being young for his level. All you can do is laugh at the stubbornness at this point. Fangraphs have spoken and all you guys saying Madrigal has no power, you are wrong! He has more power currently than Luis Robert. Edited August 23, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 They've already explained why they aren't as high on him as others. I think the numerical score is just an artifact from before the season. He's a very volatile prospect and the ranking reflects that. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: This may be the most egregious stubbornness ever by a public scouting department. As the year comes to a close and their final scouting adjustments have been made, Robert has maintained his 30 game power grade. To put this in perspective Nick Madrigals game power grade right now is a 40. It is one of the most stubborn stances I've seen and their rationale is comically bad. Luis Robert remains behind Cristian pache by a full FV level as a CF prospect despite being only 1 year older, and performing 70% better offensively and grading out/projecting to be a top tier defensive CF'er. Fangraphs has not moved Robert a single ranking (he remains as their 20th prospect) despite having not just the loudest tools in MiLB but also the loudest production while being young for his level. All you can do is laugh at the stubbornness at this point. Fangraphs have spoken and all you guys saying Madrigal has no power, you are wrong! He has more power currently than Luis Robert. Ray Ray...your alias (Rational Fan) is spot on. Normally I agree with the boys but they are either being stubborn or lazy. Either way, great job calling them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, daggins said: They've already explained why they aren't as high on him as others. I think the numerical score is just an artifact from before the season. He's a very volatile prospect and the ranking reflects that. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Nah, they've upgraded individual grades for players throughout the season. They have maintained their power grade by choice. And there reasoning was... well lewis brinson who is also dark skinned and athletic and did cool things in the minors isn't good so Robert isn't either. Brinson never had a year like Robert has had though and literally downgrading a prospect because another human being had good tools and failed is one of the dumbest rationales ever. Players are unique. Lewis Brinsons outcome has nothing to do with Robert's. Prospects of all kinds of abilities and skills have failed. Some elite walk/k rate guys were complete trash. Some elite contact guys with good defense were trash. Robert started the year exactly where he ended it for fangraphs, 20th. Which is absurd unless they expected him to go 35/45 with an ops over 1000 and a 165 wRC+. He was an unknown to start the year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Flash said: Ray Ray...your alias (Rational Fan) is spot on. Normally I agree with the boys but they are either being stubborn or lazy. Either way, great job calling them out. You got it. I've done some pieces there in the past as well under the community. I've had communication about this throughout this year and it honestly just comes down to stubbornness. As I said, he finished the year where he started it according to them - with zero bumps or improvements in grades... yet coming into the year he was a big unknown who hadn't produced stateside. Now he's been, arguably, the best player in minor league baseball. It just doesn't jive with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Maybe it's like the original Civilization games, where Gandhi is so passive off the bat that if he becomes more passive, it broke the game and he became a power hungry warlord. Luis Robert is so weak that he can hit BOMBS off the top off scoreboards, because it just skips the field of the play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 I agree. His plate discipline profile isn't that great but for a supposedly raw player he did perform a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Well, Hahn did say Robert was tired. A well rested Luis Robert probably has a 40 game power grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Weird that if they think he’s Brinson, that they don’t give him his 60 Power and slap a 30 Hit on him. But ultimately, who cares? It’s like Keith Law and Sale (or Yoan Moncada) ultimately Longehagen’s opinion won’t matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 The silliest thing to me is that his speed grade hasn't budged at all either. He had the fastest sprint speed in the AFL and in the Futures Game and he can't even get bumped to a 70. That's just ignoring empirical data for no reason. It's absurd to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Nah, they've upgraded individual grades for players throughout the season. They have maintained their power grade by choice. And there reasoning was... well lewis brinson who is also dark skinned and athletic and did cool things in the minors isn't good so Robert isn't either. Brinson never had a year like Robert has had though and literally downgrading a prospect because another human being had good tools and failed is one of the dumbest rationales ever. Players are unique. Lewis Brinsons outcome has nothing to do with Robert's. Prospects of all kinds of abilities and skills have failed. Some elite walk/k rate guys were complete trash. Some elite contact guys with good defense were trash. Robert started the year exactly where he ended it for fangraphs, 20th. Which is absurd unless they expected him to go 35/45 with an ops over 1000 and a 165 wRC+. He was an unknown to start the year. Yeah, lets make something racially based that clearly is not with an orginization that regularly ranks "dark skinned" baseball players. Give me a fucking break. Ill edit this too. If you want to virtue signal about garbage racially biased takes go to Reddit. You'll get like 1000 upvotes. This is not the first time I have seen you say something as dumb as this about race. Edited August 24, 2019 by BackDoorBreach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 #triggered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 10 hours ago, Timmy U said: ultimately Longehagen’s opinion won’t matter. Controversial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said: Yeah, lets make something racially based that clearly is not with an orginization that regularly ranks "dark skinned" baseball players. Give me a fucking break. Ill edit this too. If you want to virtue signal about garbage racially biased takes go to Reddit. You'll get like 1000 upvotes. This is not the first time I have seen you say something as dumb as this about race. One is Latin and the other black. Those arent the same races. Besides that, great point there einstein. In the sports comp world, people of similar skin color seem to always be comped to each other. Edited August 24, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: One is Latin and the other black. Those arent the same races. Besides that, great point there einstein. In the sports comp world, people of similar skin color seem to always be comped to each other. Whether BDB likes it or not, Probably half the people on the planet do that kind of thing. Sorting people by race, creed or religion saves lazy folks time. It also lets hate filled mooks think about others as less than human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Good comp for Lew Brinson: Joe Borchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, zisk said: Whether BDB likes it or not, Probably half the people on the planet do that kind of thing. Sorting people by race, creed or religion saves lazy folks time. It also lets hate filled mooks think about others as less than human. My Uber driver sorting his car by color definitely saves me some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 If you're going to tell me Fangraphs is comparing Brinson to LuBob because of their skin color you are ignorant at the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: If you're going to tell me Fangraphs is comparing Brinson to LuBob because of their skin color you are ignorant at the least. If you're going to tell me that the human brain doesn't leverage object color, at least subconscious level, while making comparisons, then you're stubbornly ignoring the outcome of all scientific research on the subject. And that would make you ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: One is Latin and the other black. Those arent the same races. Besides that, great point there einstein. In the sports comp world, people of similar skin color seem to always be comped to each other. "Latino" isn't really a race actually, Latin people can be black (african slaves), white (spanish colonialists) or native latin american or any mix of those. Most Cubans are actually african because cuba had slaves like the US. But I agree that the race comp thing is stupid (like any white tall guy who can shoot 3s is compared to Dirk Nowitzki or any fast athletic black guy to other fast black guys) Edited August 25, 2019 by [email protected] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, [email protected] said: "Latino" isn't really a race actually, Latin people can be black (african slaves), white (spanish descent) or native latin american or any mix of those. Most Cubans are actually african because cuba had slaves like the US. But I agree that the race comp thing is stupid (like any white tall guy who can shoot 3s is compared to Dirk Nowitzki or any fast athletic black guy to other fast black guys) Eh, i don't think it's really stupid. There are similarities among people who are inherantly from certain parts of the world. Northern white Europeans are going to have a lot of the same physical attributes as other northern white Europeans. Same as Africans, central Americans, and so on. I can see why people do it. White guys look like other white guys and black guys look like other black guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Kiley is replacing Keith Law at ESPN. That's a massive downgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Kiley is replacing Keith Law at ESPN. That's a massive downgrade. Funny thing is I've always preferred Longenhagen to Kiley, so for FG's this really changes nothing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 What happened to Keith Law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, oldsox said: What happened to Keith Law? Cooking/culinary arts show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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