kitekrazy Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 13 hours ago, ptatc said: No kidding. No one is forcing people to be a fan. I would think a Cleveland Browns or Tampa Bay Bucks fan would be woese. fan would be worse But the individual does. There is this strange sense of betrayal. The ownership reinvents stupid every day. How many times did we hear "show up and we'll make the team better"? Imagine Domino's saying eat more of our pizza and we'll make it better? It's more logical to drop this team until there is new ownership. You hope the new ownership would gut out the organization. Then again new ownership could be worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guys Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Per Forbes, the White Sox are the 14th most valuable franchise in MLB. I can't find the article, but I believe I read somewhere that they were in the top 10 in profit margins for 2018. https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15671424665497&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fmikeozanian%2F2019%2F04%2F10%2Fbaseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion%2F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: This is so much meatball nonsense dude. All extraneous bullshit, none of it would have improved the product in the field but hey harry Carey and a nice stadium yay Very much on the contrary. Letting Harry Caray go, taking the Sox off of WGN in the ‘80s and hiding them on the ill-fated SportsVision, AND designing the original “new” Comiskey Park were three terribly franchise-crippling decisions made by Reinsdorf back in the ‘80s. To even remotely suggest otherwise demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how those decisions impacted this franchise. Meanwhile, Reinsdorf will tell you the worst decision he ever made as owner was when he allowed Hawk to fire LaRussa. Not sure that even makes the top ten of bad decisions the guy has made running this ballclub the past 40 years, but that’s what he’ll tell you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said: Very much on the contrary. Letting Harry Caray go, taking the Sox off of WGN in the ‘80s and hiding them on the ill-fated SportsVision, AND designing the original “new” Comiskey Park were three terribly franchise-crippling decisions made by Reinsdorf back in the ‘80s. To even remotely suggest otherwise demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how those decisions impacted this franchise. Meanwhile, Reinsdorf will tell you the worst decision he ever made as owner was when he allowed Hawk to fire LaRussa. Not sure that even makes the top ten of bad decisions the guy has made running this ballclub the past 40 years, but that’s what he’ll tell you. Those 3 things you mentioned are the top 3 worst decisions that Reinsdorf has made, #4 is not building the Camden Yards design in the South Loop, instead keeping the Sox at 35th and Shields. Just imagine the Sox playing in the South Loop in Camden Yards. Entirely different ballgame. It could have changed the entire course of the 90s and early 00s. They could have potentially had the funds to put a few of those teams over the top. Edited August 30, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Those 3 things you mentioned are the top 3 worst decisions that Reinsdorf has made, #4 is not building the Camden Yards design in the South Loop, instead keeping the Sox at 35th and Shields. Just imagine the Sox playing in the South Loop in Camden Yards. Entirely different ballgame. It could have changed the entire course of the 90s and early 00s. They could have potentially had the funds to put a few of those teams over the top. No and they’re not even close. The worst decision was driving the strike and stealing away one of the greatest seasons from White Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Thad Bosley said: Very much on the contrary. Letting Harry Caray go, taking the Sox off of WGN in the ‘80s and hiding them on the ill-fated SportsVision, AND designing the original “new” Comiskey Park were three terribly franchise-crippling decisions made by Reinsdorf back in the ‘80s. To even remotely suggest otherwise demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how those decisions impacted this franchise. Meanwhile, Reinsdorf will tell you the worst decision he ever made as owner was when he allowed Hawk to fire LaRussa. Not sure that even makes the top ten of bad decisions the guy has made running this ballclub the past 40 years, but that’s what he’ll tell you. Go off king, keep on keepin on. Go Harry Carey! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Balta1701 said: I don't particularly want creative. Creative to me sounds like "Hey let's trade 3 guys for Jeff Samardzija, let's trade 3 guys to the Dodgers and then have the Dodgers send guys to the Reds so we get Frazier, and let's trade an international signing we've never seen play for James Shields and we even get money coming back wow what a steal!". Just go sign guys to fill the positions we have. Money is the White Sox's biggest resource right now because they have so little committed next year. There's no reason why they need to trade guys away in creative deals rather than just going out and signing guys for money. I agree but I don't really see a free agent fit for right field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Good Guys said: Per Forbes, the White Sox are the 14th most valuable franchise in MLB. I can't find the article, but I believe I read somewhere that they were in the top 10 in profit margins for 2018. https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15671424665497&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fmikeozanian%2F2019%2F04%2F10%2Fbaseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion%2F The White Sox were 6th most profitable team in MLB in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Thad Bosley said: Meanwhile, Reinsdorf will tell you the worst decision he ever made as owner was when he allowed Hawk to fire LaRussa. Not sure that even makes the top ten of bad decisions the guy has made running this ballclub the past 40 years, but that’s what he’ll tell you. The bad decision here wasn't firing LaRussa. It was hiring Hawk as GM, a move that set the team back several years. They had let Roland Hemond go, ending an era of sorts. But instead of taking time to think about bringing a new baseball man in, they handed the job to Hawk. Like they handed the manager's job to Ventura. What's next? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, poppysox said: I agree but I don't really see a free agent fit for right field. I know we would like a LH bat, but if one doesn't become available (Alex Gordon, Kole Calhoun maybe?) then just sign someone, fill the position for a year or two, and see what becomes available next year. Maybe one of the youngins breaks out at AA/AAA and we have someone to try out. Maybe next year's draft pick is a collegeiate corner OF. Maybe we have more obvious trade options because someone breaks out who is blocked at the big league level. If we wind up with a RH hitting OF, and we get to the ALDS and face the Astros, and we lose because our lineup is very right handed and Verlander and Greinke shut us down, I can 100% guarantee my reaction will be "OMG YAY WE ACTUALLY MADE THE F***ING ALDS", it will not be disappointment. We can address lineup balance later as things develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, poppysox said: I agree but I don't really see a free agent fit for right field. That Castellanos guy is pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 13 hours ago, Balta1701 said: I don't particularly want creative. Creative to me sounds like "Hey let's trade 3 guys for Jeff Samardzija, let's trade 3 guys to the Dodgers and then have the Dodgers send guys to the Reds so we get Frazier, and let's trade an international signing we've never seen play for James Shields and we even get money coming back wow what a steal!". Just go sign guys to fill the positions we have. Money is the White Sox's biggest resource right now because they have so little committed next year. There's no reason why they need to trade guys away in creative deals rather than just going out and signing guys for money. Creative would be identifying a guy before he has his breakout season. Sonny Gray was just sitting there for them last off season and of course they did nothing. Simply signing guys who already had their breakout years and hoping they repeat it (Scooter Gennett) isn't much of a plan. Other front offices are able to do it. Why can't this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Creative would be identifying a guy before he has his breakout season. Sonny Gray was just sitting there for them last off season and of course they did nothing. Simply signing guys who already had their breakout years and hoping they repeat it (Scooter Gennett) isn't much of a plan. Other front offices are able to do it. Why can't this one. I like the idea of Gennett. Had two good years last 2 years and starting this year off with an injury didn't help him. The problem is, he hasn't played OF in 2017 and that was only for 15 games. In his career, he has only seen 16 games in the OF. Something tells me he wouldn't be much defensively. Edited August 30, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 11 hours ago, kitekrazy said: But the individual does. There is this strange sense of betrayal. The ownership reinvents stupid every day. How many times did we hear "show up and we'll make the team better"? Imagine Domino's saying eat more of our pizza and we'll make it better? It's more logical to drop this team until there is new ownership. You hope the new ownership would gut out the organization. Then again new ownership could be worse. No. It's still a choice. Just like your last sentence. If you really feel that being a fan of the team is really the worst thing going, then don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: No and they’re not even close. The worst decision was driving the strike and stealing away one of the greatest seasons from White Sox fans. That one was awful too, but he couldn't have done it alone. The blame isn't solely on JR though he was a major player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 so this is official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 David Glass has sold the Royals. He thinks being 83 years old the franchise would be better off with a younger person owning the team. Isn't JR 83 years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 minute ago, WBWSF said: David Glass has sold the Royals. He thinks being 83 years old the franchise would be better off with a younger person owning the team. Isn't JR 83 years old? Yes he is...but he's spry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Trying to return to the topic instead of the pissing contest, the most important thing about the Royals being sold for one billion dollars is how it impacts the Sox. You don't buy a franchise for that much money and not plan to spend money and be competitive. The Royals farm isn't terrible anymore and will be another team to compete with. Most have previously ignored them when considering our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Royals owner David Glass has agreed to sell the team to Kansas City businessman John Sherman for a sum of one billion dollars, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (via Twitter). Sherman, currently the vice chairman of the division-rival Indians, will divest himself from the Cleveland organization once the agreement is ratified by the other 29 ownership groups in November. Talks of a potential sale were first reported by Ken Rosenthal and Jayson Stark of The Athletic earlier this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, poppysox said: Yes he is...but he's spry. I saw him in the parking lot this week. He very much is not spry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: Trying to return to the topic instead of the pissing contest, the most important thing about the Royals being sold for one billion dollars is how it impacts the Sox. You don't buy a franchise for that much money and not plan to spend money and be competitive. The Royals farm isn't terrible anymore and will be another team to compete with. Most have previously ignored them when considering our chances. The Miami Marlins were sold for 1.2 billion dollars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Those 3 things you mentioned are the top 3 worst decisions that Reinsdorf has made, #4 is not building the Camden Yards design in the South Loop, instead keeping the Sox at 35th and Shields. Just imagine the Sox playing in the South Loop in Camden Yards. Entirely different ballgame. It could have changed the entire course of the 90s and early 00s. They could have potentially had the funds to put a few of those teams over the top. They NEVER had an oriole park design. And especially not for the nebulous “south loop”. There WAS, however, a design for the lake/Clinton area for a dual use stadium with the bears. And mike mcsucky flat out refused it because the bears are “connected to the cubs” jerry wanted Addison, and even bought the land in advance. Chicago was never a serious thought until Addison died in the ballot box and Jim Thompson pledged state money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 minute ago, ewokpelts said: They NEVER had an oriole park design. And especially not for the nebulous “south loop”. There WAS, however, a design for the lake/Clinton area for a dual use stadium with the bears. And mike mcsucky flat out refused it because the bears are “connected to the cubs” jerry wanted Addison, and even bought the land in advance. Chicago was never a serious thought until Addison died in the ballot box and Jim Thompson pledged state money. I thought they gave JR two designs, one was the current stadium at 35th and Shields and the other was what would later become Camden Yards in the South Loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, BamaDoc said: Trying to return to the topic instead of the pissing contest, the most important thing about the Royals being sold for one billion dollars is how it impacts the Sox. You don't buy a franchise for that much money and not plan to spend money and be competitive. The Royals farm isn't terrible anymore and will be another team to compete with. Most have previously ignored them when considering our chances. It just means the Sox could sell for much more than that. They are currently “worth “ 1.6 billion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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