Colinski Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) James McCann has a 3.4 WAR this year according to baseball reference, he works hard on game preparation and is loved by the pitching staff according to reports. Can anyone remember the last time we had a catcher with a 2+war not called AJ ? Before I get into why I am creating this thread I want to say one thing. I really like McCann, I don’t know why but I do. From a rebuild perspective he is the one win from our pro scouting so also gives me hope our organisation are not poor talent evaluators. Everything is pro McCann.... except his second half numbers! I’ve posted these stats at the bottom. For those of you who love tradition stats the first numbers are average, OBP and slugging. For those of you who like more advance states he is about 25% below league average at hitting. THe saving grace is a lowish .296 babip (406 was his babip in the first half). This could all simply mean the first half and second half is what he is overall and neither explain fully who he is. A .275 average hitter with some pop and good defence. I’d take that any day of the week. So my questions to you all are. who is the real James McCann the first half, second half(or what I call Detroit McCann) or somewhere between? Is he our catcher of the future? If so would you extend him and for how much ? 222 .275 .403 .679 71 3 4 1 0 0 2 .296 71 75 Edited September 15, 2019 by Colinski Typed on phone so there are lots of typos etc, some I cannot be bothered to edit or find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Colinski said: James McCann has a 3.4 WAR this year according to baseball reference, he works hard on game preparation and is loved by the pitching staff according to reports. Can anyone remember the last time we had a catcher with a 2+war not called AJ ? Before I get into why I am creating this thread I want to say one thing. I really like McCann, I don’t know why but I do. From a rebuild perspective he is the one win from our pro scouting so also gives me hope our organisation are not poor talent evaluators. Everything is pro McCann.... except his second half numbers! I’ve posted these stats at the bottom. For those of you who love tradition stats the first numbers are average, OBP and slugging. For those of you who like more advance states he is about 25% below league average at hitting. THe saving grace is a lowish .296 babip (406 was his babip in the first half). This could all simply mean the first half and second half is what he is overall and neither explain fully who he is. A .275 average hitter with some pop and good defence. I’d take that any day of the week. So my questions to you all are. who is the real James McCann the first half, second half(or what I call Detroit McCann) or somewhere between? Is he our catcher of the future? If so would you extend him and for how much ? 222 .275 .403 .679 71 3 4 1 0 0 2 .296 71 75 Extend him for 2 additional years at 5 million per year. I would like to see him used with Grandal & Collins as Catcher/Backup Catcher/DH kind of role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, poppysox said: Extend him for 2 additional years at 5 million per year. I would like to see him used with Grandal & Collins as Catcher/Backup Catcher/DH kind of role. If he is the back-up catcher and accepts that role, then $5 Mil is okay. As many have said, Grandal is going to cost at least $16 for 3-5 years. I would think McCann will look to get out in 2021 or sooner. I doubt he signs a 2 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I'd offer him a 3 year deal, 15-18 mil total. Maybe he ends up backing up, maybe he wins the job. It gives the Sox options. I don't like Zach Collins though, and would prefer a different 2nd catcher going in to next year, be it a different backup or a starter like Grandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Is the general consensus his at bats at similar to the first half ? I watch a lot of games and think he might be pressing a bit but still has decent at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 McCann is a really well prepared and competent catcher. If we were to get Grandal I would view it as a job share more than backup role. It seems broadcasters are nightly talking about the pounding McCann and catchers in general take. Two really good catchers seems a necessity for a team expecting to compete. Also, a great place for Collins to receive mentoring and not have much pressure as he is obviously not a finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 McCann is an excellent backup. Nothing more. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I wouldn’t pass on signing Grandal because of McCann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: McCann is an excellent backup. Nothing more. Not saying you are wrong, but what is it that makes you feel this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: I wouldn’t pass on signing Grandal because of McCann. Same, but I don’t see us getting him. If we don’t what would be your plan B ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I’m going to guess the list of available catchers with a 3.4 fWAR or above not named Grandal numbers less than three... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Colinski said: Not saying you are wrong, but what is it that makes you feel this way? Everything about his first half felt fluky and his second half confirmed it. He works well with the pitchers, and I'd like to keep him around, but they need someone better than him as the every day starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I'm not worried about scoring runs. I think it's more important to have a veteran catcher who can handle a young staff, even if he's a light hitting catcher. McCann seems to excel in that area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I would like for Collins to receive the majority of the starts behind the plate the rest of the season (while McCann DH's/catches day game after night game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 8 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: I'm not worried about scoring runs. I think it's more important to have a veteran catcher who can handle a young staff, even if he's a light hitting catcher. McCann seems to excel in that area. I agree that McCann is great as a handler of this young staff and his hitting is fine for my taste. However...Grandal & McCann would be dynamic. Have Collins learn from two veteran pros while backing up catcher, DH and 1st base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Sign Grandal and put his name (not position) into the #5 for the year. 110 games at catcher, 35 games at DH and 10 games at 1B. Sign a solid left-handed infield bat to compliment. CF Robert 2B Madrigal 3B Moncada 1B/DH Abreu C/1B/DH Grandal LF Jimenez DH/C Collins/McCann SS Anderson That's without even addressing RF which they will do in some way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 hours ago, raBBit said: Sign Grandal and put his name (not position) into the #5 for the year. 110 games at catcher, 35 games at DH and 10 games at 1B. Sign a solid left-handed infield bat to compliment. CF Robert 2B Madrigal 3B Moncada 1B/DH Abreu C/1B/DH Grandal LF Jimenez DH/C Collins/McCann SS Anderson That's without even addressing RF which they will do in some way. Throw in Nimmo or another left-handed RF and that’s my exact plan. Collins gets half a season or so to show he’s a major league hitter before Vaughn starts to enter the equation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Grandal really struggled in July and August but has put on a contract drive in September, with a 1.112 OPS so far this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 McCann is fine, but give the job to Collins next year. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, greg775 said: McCann is fine, but give the job to Collins next year. Why not? Because they want to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Honest question, who is the better receiver/defender/framer/game caller, McCann or Grandal? I am all aboard the Grandal/McCann/Collins 3 headed C/DH/1B train, I just haven't seen enough of Grandal to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Even though the publicly available metrics praise Grandal‘s defense, the Dodgers internal evaluation system thought he was awful FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: Honest question, who is the better receiver/defender/framer/game caller, McCann or Grandal? I am all aboard the Grandal/McCann/Collins 3 headed C/DH/1B train, I just haven't seen enough of Grandal to know. The Baseball Prospectus version has McCann 12th worst in baseball in framing and substantially worse than even Collins. He was roughly average on the other things catchers do (blocking and throwing) in their version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: Because they want to win? Why are we down on Collins now? He's a 10th overall draft pick? He has Carlton Fisk size. What has made him be out of the mix? He's supposed to be one of the studs in the rebuild at No. 10 pick overall. He's got the experience. He's more than old enough. Play him. Start him next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, greg775 said: Why are we down on Collins now? He's a 10th overall draft pick? He has Carlton Fisk size. What has made him be out of the mix? He's supposed to be one of the studs in the rebuild at No. 10 pick overall. He's got the experience. He's more than old enough. Play him. Start him next year. Who cares where he was drafted and how big he is? He can't hit a fastball. Defensively he's not very good. He has been pathetic in his big league career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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