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40 Man Rosterbation


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Thanks for comments on part one: State of Sox.  Part two begins.  With credit to baseball reference , here is our current 40 man roster.  The basic rules for the Rule 5 draft in December are that Free Agents are removed and you have to add back players currently on the MLB 60 day DL.  Sox have three 60 Day DL they would keep: Rodon, Burr, and Kopech.  Free Agent subtractions of Jay, Santiago, Detwiler, and Nova keep you at 40 as Jay on 60 day DL.  I expect (who doesn't) the Sox to resign Abreu so I will not open a spot.  Castillos option should be bought out so 39.

do DO Pitcher *   29 R R 5' 10" 200 Dec 31, 1989 2007
2 40 Reynaldo Lopez do DO Pitcher *   25 R R 6' 1" 200 Jan 4, 1994 2012
3 43 Evan Marshall us US Pitcher *   29 R R 6' 2" 225 Apr 18, 1990 2011
4 51 Carson Fulmer us US Pitcher *   25 R R 6' 0" 195 Dec 13, 1993 2013
5 57 Jace Fry us US Pitcher *   25 L L 6' 1" 190 Jul 9, 1993 2013
6 54 Ross Detwiler us US Pitcher *   33 R L 6' 5" 210 Mar 6, 1986 2007
7 46 Ivan Nova do DO Pitcher *   32 R R 6' 5" 250 Jan 12, 1987 2006
8 60 Jimmy Cordero do DO Pitcher *   27 R R 6' 4" 222 Oct 19, 1991 2012
9 64 Josh Osich us US Pitcher *   30 L L 6' 3" 232 Sep 3, 1988 2012
10 48 Alex Colome do DO Pitcher *   30 R R 6' 1" 220 Dec 31, 1988 2007
11 84 Dylan Cease us US Pitcher *   23 R R 6' 2" 190 Dec 28, 1995 2015
12 66 Jose Ruiz ve VE Pitcher *   24 R R 6' 1" 190 Oct 21, 1994 2012
13 39 Aaron Bummer us US Pitcher *   25 L L 6' 3" 200 Sep 21, 1993 2013
14 53 Hector Santiago us US Pitcher *   31 R L 6' 0" 215 Dec 16, 1987 2007
15 58 Manny Banuelos mx MX Pitcher *   28 R L 5' 10" 215 Mar 13, 1991 2008
16 18 Daniel Palka us US Position *   27 L L 6' 2" 220 Oct 28, 1991 2013
17 74 Eloy Jimenez do DO Position *   22 R R 6' 4" 205 Nov 27, 1996 2014
18 32 Matt Skole us US Position *   29 L R 6' 4" 220 Jul 30, 1989 2011
19 33 James McCann us US Position *   29 R R 6' 3" 225 Jun 13, 1990 2011
20 5 Yolmer Sanchez ve VE Position *   27 S R 5' 11" 185 Jun 29, 1992 2009
21 20 Danny Mendick us US Position *   25 R R 5' 10" 189 Sep 28, 1993 2014
22 10 Yoan Moncada cu CU Position *   24 S R 6' 2" 205 May 27, 1995 2012
23 79 Jose Abreu cu CU Position *   32 R R 6' 3" 255 Jan 29, 1987 2003
24 49 Ryan Cordell us US Position *   27 R R 6' 4" 195 Mar 31, 1992 2013
25 21 Welington Castillo do DO Position *   32 R R 5' 10" 220 Apr 24, 1987 2006
26 15 Adam Engel us US Position *   27 R R 6' 2" 210 Dec 9, 1991 2013
27 7 Tim Anderson us US Position *   26 R R 6' 1" 185 Jun 23, 1993 2013
28 28 Leury Garcia do DO Position *   28 S R 5' 8" 180 Mar 18, 1991 2008
29 17 Ryan Goins us US Position *   31 L R 5' 10" 180 Feb 13, 1988 2009
30 38 Zack Collins us US Position *   24 L R 6' 3" 220 Feb 6, 1995 2014
31 27 Lucas Giolito us US Pitcher   10-day 24 R R 6' 6" 245 Jul 14, 1994 2012
32 68 Dylan Covey us US Pitcher   10-day 27 R R 6' 1" 220 Aug 14, 1991 2013
33 50 Thyago Vieira br BR Pitcher     25 R R 6' 2" 210 Jul 1, 1993 2011
34 52 Ian Hamilton us US Pitcher     24 R R 6' 0" 200 Jun 16, 1995 2014
35 53 Caleb Frare us US Pitcher     25 L L 6' 1" 210 Jul 8, 1993 2012
36 62 Kodi Medeiros us US Pitcher     23 L L 6' 2" 205 May 25, 1996 2014
37 73 Luis Alexander Basabe ve VE Position     22 S R 6' 0" 160 Aug 26, 1996 2013
38 77 Micker Adolfo do DO Position     22 R R 6' 4" 255 Sep 11, 1996 2014
39 22 Charlie Tilson us US Position     26 L L 6' 0" 185 Dec 2, 1992 2011
40 59 Seby Zavala us US Position     25 R R 5' 11" 215 Aug 28, 1993 2014
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Okay, that part was easy.  Older draftees from 2016 are eligible to be lost and younger players, often international signings get one more year so 2015.  Roster resource via Fangraphs has some nice depth charts indicating many of these players.  https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/white-sox   Some are easier to project dropping and again it is someones career so I am refraining from "they suck" commentary.  Many who are dropped can still be invited to spring training and we offer a easier way back to MLB as Rodon and I think Burr will go back on the 60 day at the start of the season allowing them a way onto the team without requiring someone being dropped.  So I bolded 8 players who could be dropped/outrighted.  That is 31 spots.  Some are arguable.  I am not totally sure how the upcoming rule of a reliever must finish the inning or pitch to three batters will affect everything but it is why I drop Osich who held lefties to a OBP of .561 but RH torched him to .970.  I expect Yolmer to sign a multi year deal at a cut from this years salary or be non tendered so that may be another.  A few of these guys can be either one or other.  Engel with his annual hot streak, I took over Cordell and Tilson.  You could add a pitcher and drop Vieira, Ruiz, Frare, or Meideros.  

So I look at guys who need to be added.  Dunning, Burdi, Lambert, Flores on the pitching side.  Thompson, Matt Foster, Hansen are relievers who I would hope to protect. Spencer Adams was not protected last year and hurt this year so I don't protect.  Position players: Rutherford needs protection, I wish they had promoted Mercedes, I don't know what they will do with him.  Forbes, Zangari, Nunez on the position side I hope might become something but doubt they protect.  Pitchers like Minaya, Kubat, Turner, Martinez, Paulino, Long are doubtful.  

My sleeper is Lefty Jacob Lindgren, former 2nd round pick who made it to the majors one year after being drafted.  Then got hurt, missed two years and we took a flyer.  Obviously had talent was in A+ with us and had 1.53 ERA.  Actually had 13 ip vs righties with 15/1 k/w ratio and they hit .163  Actually lefties hit him well but would someone take a chance on cheap controllable guy who was a definite prospect?  With a 26 man roster I think with the shortage of pitching I might take that flyer.  If it doesn't work you lose 25 k.  

Anyway that is about ten to add so it seems doable until you start adding in free agent signings.  Most of us are thinking, beyond Abreu 3-5 so it does begin to matter.  Had our fringe players actually played decent, you can see where this would have been really tough.  As it is, I expect us to probably have someone drafted this year and if they succeed we will complain "how could that happen".  So take a look and tell me what you would do.  Cut a lot more of the current 40 to protect prospects or hope no one wants the prospects?  Does struggling your first couple times up mean you won't succeed later?  Are you a learning curve or instant success person?  Hopefully, ala Yankees etc, leading up to the draft you can trade your fringe players for guys who don't require protection or do 2:1 deals to help roster management but it is tighter than I expected after diving deeper.

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I predict the Sox lose All the free agents at least for a while, so that’s Detwiler, Nova, Jay, Abreu, Santiago, Castillo.

Then there are a lot of fringe guys who will go, Banuelos, Tilson, Skole, Goins.

Then they should choose between backup outfielders, I think both Palka and Cordell go and they keep Engel, but maybe they keep two of these three.

then there are several relievers on the bubble like Frare, Vieira, Ruiz, and Madeiros. They could risk Hamilton because it is hard for other teams to know the state of his injuries.  I predict the Sox hold on to both Fulmer and Covey at least until Spring Training.

Then they have big arbitration decisions on both Yolmer and Leury.

Then there are their underperforming prospects like Zavala, Basabe and Adolfo.  I bet they keep them all, but Zavala is older and looks like he won’t hit and if Adolfo doesn’t perform in Arizona, they might try to sneak him through.

Point is, they should have no problem protecting any player they like this winter.

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If we don't sign Grandal or another catcher, I think Zavala is protected as you need that third catcher if a MLB guy goes down.  If we sign a third, I could see him outright.  With rosters expanding to 26 it will be easier for a team to keep a guy.  Hamilton if not ready is easier to roster cause they could put him on DL so I wouldn't risk him unless medicals thick his career significantly threatened.

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Detwiler, Nova, Osich, Santiago, Banuelos, Palka, Skole, Castillo, Goins, and Tilson are all going to be DFA'd, outrighted or a free agent in the coming weeks.  

Add back Rodon, Kopech and Burr and we're at 33.

Dunning, Burdi, Rutherford, Lambert, Flores, and Hansen all need to be protected.  That gets up you to 39.

5-6 free agents will be added, which means a handful of these guys will also be on the chopping block: Fulmer, Ruiz, Yolmer, Cordell, Engel, Covey, Virira, Frare, Medeiros, Basabe and Zavala.  

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1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

Detwiler, Nova, Osich, Santiago, Banuelos, Palka, Skole, Castillo, Goins, and Tilson are all going to be DFA'd, outrighted or a free agent in the coming weeks.  

Add back Rodon, Kopech and Burr and we're at 33.

Dunning, Burdi, Rutherford, Lambert, Flores, and Hansen all need to be protected.  That gets up you to 39.

5-6 free agents will be added, which means a handful of these guys will also be on the chopping block: Fulmer, Ruiz, Yolmer, Cordell, Engel, Covey, Virira, Frare, Medeiros, Basabe and Zavala.  

About right which is why I might like to see some dealt if possible or 2:1 , 3:2 deals.  As long as you move some for guys who don't require protection.

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2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Detwiler, Nova, Osich, Santiago, Banuelos, Palka, Skole, Castillo, Goins, and Tilson are all going to be DFA'd, outrighted or a free agent in the coming weeks.  

Add back Rodon, Kopech and Burr and we're at 33.

Dunning, Burdi, Rutherford, Lambert, Flores, and Hansen all need to be protected.  That gets up you to 39.

5-6 free agents will be added, which means a handful of these guys will also be on the chopping block: Fulmer, Ruiz, Yolmer, Cordell, Engel, Covey, Vieira, Frare, Medeiros, Basabe and Zavala.  

The two guys in bold are the only ones I'd keep. The guys in italics are players I'd package if someone was interested. I'm really disappointed in the Rutherford/Basabe/Adolfo/Gonzales/Sheets group. I thought we could get a couple MLB players out of those guys but it looks like none will make it. They're a cautionary tale of holding onto guys too long. 

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4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

The two guys in bold are the only ones I'd keep. The guys in italics are players I'd package if someone was interested. I'm really disappointed in the Rutherford/Basabe/Adolfo/Gonzales/Sheets group. I thought we could get a couple MLB players out of those guys but it looks like none will make it. They're a cautionary tale of holding onto guys too long. 

Please go back and look at the second half splits on those guys.  Several were young for league and fine in second half.  Sheets had more homers than previously in career in a tougher park.  At 23 had a .855 ops in the second half and you wish to give up on him?  Basabe has a wrist injury.  We saw how it affected Robert 0 hr to 32, and Madrigal .  Rutherford  22yo .600 ops first half .758 second half.  Adolpho hurt.  Burdi previously 100 mph, sucked but I give one more year, risk/reward.  With 26 man roster you could hide a player a lot easier than 25.  Come on I have seen your posts, you are better than that. 

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28 minutes ago, BamaDoc said:

Please go back and look at the second half splits on those guys.  Several were young for league and fine in second half.  Sheets had more homers than previously in career in a tougher park.  At 23 had a .855 ops in the second half and you wish to give up on him?  Basabe has a wrist injury.  We saw how it affected Robert 0 hr to 32, and Madrigal .  Rutherford  22yo .600 ops first half .758 second half.  Adolpho hurt.  Burdi previously 100 mph, sucked but I give one more year, risk/reward.  With 26 man roster you could hide a player a lot easier than 25.  Come on I have seen your posts, you are better than that. 

Yeah, and those are the reasons why these guys might still have trade value. If they do I'd bail on them. 

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10 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Yeah, and those are the reasons why these guys might still have trade value. If they do I'd bail on them. 

Okay respect your opinion.  Mine just different and I wish to hold guys for another year and hope some develop into cheap home grown players.  I guess I could see putting a couple together and getting one higher rated player to help with roster issues but doubt other teams are that excited to do that kind of deal.  Sheets doesn't require 40 man and if he improves and goes to Charlotte he could but up much better numbers and really improve value.  If any non Robert outfielder could progress to .750 OPS eventually at MLB level and all have decent gloves that is a 3 WAR player and not without value.  I just don't know which one that might be yet and don't want to miss.

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3 minutes ago, BamaDoc said:

Okay respect your opinion.  Mine just different and I wish to hold guys for another year and hope some develop into cheap home grown players.  I guess I could see putting a couple together and getting one higher rated player to help with roster issues but doubt other teams are that excited to do that kind of deal.  Sheets doesn't require 40 man and if he improves and goes to Charlotte he could but up much better numbers and really improve value.  If any non Robert outfielder could progress to .750 OPS eventually at MLB level and all have decent gloves that is a 3 WAR player and not without value.  I just don't know which one that might be yet and don't want to miss.

We don't have to trade all of them, but there's no room for Sheets with Vaughn here, and I'd rather use Basabe/Rutherford/Gonzalez to upgrade the Sox one hole in RF for the foreseeable future. There is a chance that they move one of their young pitchers to do that, and if I'd have to pick it would be Lopez first and then Cease. They'd have to sign Strasburg/Bumgarner and Wheeler/Keuchel to pull that off. 

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On 10/1/2019 at 10:09 AM, Jack Parkman said:

We don't have to trade all of them, but there's no room for Sheets with Vaughn here, and I'd rather use Basabe/Rutherford/Gonzalez to upgrade the Sox one hole in RF for the foreseeable future. There is a chance that they move one of their young pitchers to do that, and if I'd have to pick it would be Lopez first and then Cease. They'd have to sign Strasburg/Bumgarner and Wheeler/Keuchel to pull that off. 

Right field can be adequately filled without giving up on Cease.

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23 hours ago, Hatchetman said:

Basabe is the only guy I'd be interested in keeping of that bunch.

Meh.  Id try to hold onto as many of them as I can until their spots are needed.  Order of first guy I'd DFA to last guy would be as follows:  Covey, Yolmer, Zavala, Vieira, Fulmer, Ruiz, Engel, Cordell, Medeiros, Frare, and Basabe.  I think Engel, Cordell, Frare and Basabe should all be pretty safe this offseason.  I think Sox like Ruiz arm and so I'd be surprised to see him trimmed from the 40 man as well.    

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3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Meh.  Id try to hold onto as many of them as I can until their spots are needed.  Order of first guy I'd DFA to last guy would be as follows:  Covey, Yolmer, Zavala, Vieira, Fulmer, Ruiz, Engel, Cordell, Medeiros, Frare, and Basabe.  I think Engel, Cordell, Frare and Basabe should all be pretty safe this offseason.  I think Sox like Ruiz arm and so I'd be surprised to see him trimmed from the 40 man as well.    

Need to find a swap partner for Fulmer along the line of Thornton for Joe Borchard.  Find some other failed first rounder and swap projects.

 

 

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On 9/30/2019 at 5:06 PM, Jack Parkman said:

The two guys in bold are the only ones I'd keep. The guys in italics are players I'd package if someone was interested. I'm really disappointed in the Rutherford/Basabe/Adolfo/Gonzales/Sheets group. I thought we could get a couple MLB players out of those guys but it looks like none will make it. They're a cautionary tale of holding onto guys too long. 

Sheets was like the 12th best hitter in his league despite a slow start. Sheesh. You're disappointed in that? Weird stuff.

Basebe had a messed up hand/wrist - what did you expect from him?

Jack, you get way to down on young baseball players.

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