bmags Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, fathom said: Sherman brings up idea of JA Happ and pitching prospect to the Sox https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/j-a-happ-trade-rumblings-part-of-yankees-gerrit-cole-puzzle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Yes let’s help another team get elite talent please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: With Colome at around 10 million and Herrera at 8, I am not sure we go beyond a 3-5 million reliever. Why not? Colome has 1 year of control and the payroll is so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: Yes let’s help another team get elite talent please I mean, the Sox aren't going to sign him (I'd love to come back and eat crow because of this comment 2 months from now lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, bmags said: Yes let’s help another team get elite talent please The money will be spent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: I mean, the Sox aren't going to sign him (I'd love to come back and eat crow because of this comment 2 months from now lol). We still shouldn’t help the Yankees get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 9 hours ago, fathom said: Sherman brings up idea of JA Happ and pitching prospect to the Sox https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/j-a-happ-trade-rumblings-part-of-yankees-gerrit-cole-puzzle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Flash said: Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). Nothing personal, but I would hate this trade. Tauchman may be a decent player, but the jury is still out on him and Statcast believes he overachieved last year. Plus he’s almost 29. And to get him and a guy who is redundant with Collins, we have to weaken the pitching staff, waste some of our financial flexibility, and improve the chances of the Yankees getting Cole. Just doesn’t make any sense to me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Flash said: Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). You do realize Tauchman is already 28...? I guess Hahn would like the local boy comes home angle...Fremd, Palatine, Bradley, but generally trading high upside, cost-controlled starting pitchers for more expensive veteran 4/5 starters doesn’t work out well. If we were making 3 big moves this offseason to go with it, maybe. By the time we actually need Happ, he’ll be yet one more year removed from his prime. And Tauchman was a low 700s OPS guy in 2015-16...it wasn’t until Albuquerque, a hitter’s paradise not unlike Charlotte, that he really took off. He might be a late bloomer, but he could just as easily be in a one year flash in the pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Nothing personal, but I would hate this trade. Tauchman may be a decent player, but the jury is still out on him and Statcast believes he overachieved last year. Plus he’s almost 29. And to get him and a guy who is redundant with Collins, we have to weaken the pitching staff, waste some of our financial flexibility, and improve the chances of the Yankees getting Cole. Just doesn’t make any sense to me. And give up a solid SP and bullpen arm, both with considerable upside, and both cheap and controllable. Gross. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Flash said: Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). This makes me want to go "ewwy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Flash said: Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). DISGUSTING! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Flash said: Tie Tauchman to Happ and Yanks eat $3M and maybe throw in Bird. We send Lopez and Fry. We solve for LH RF who can play defense and mash plus 4-5 starter plus LH bat off bench or DH (Bird might not be ready to take field at 1B but if he is, he's great flexibility/depth). How dare you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 As I sit and think about pitching options and I am still in favor of no qualifying offers, losing my target of Odorizzi hurts. It looks like we keep Kopech down to manage innings(regain year also). Gio, Lopez, Cease are in. So two likely additions. I advocated that in my originating this thread post with the second being a swing guy or tradeable as other guys get healthy. What is clear is they need to be healthy at the start of the season which is why I don't advocate guys like Wood or other injury question marks. I think we want healthyish, possibly left handed, cheapish, good clubhouse, short term deal etc. By midseason, this guy can go to the pen as Kopech, Rodon, Dunning or others return. He could come back if injuries or innings limits are reached. IE this guy kinda looks like a better Santiago. I worry re homer prone though his numbers aren't bad and early in the year with cold weather the ball isn't jumping. In fact his numbers of less than one hr per nine is way better than almost anyone on our team not named Bummer. For cheap what about the unexciting but actually fairly competent #5/swing man Gio Gonzalez. You are not going to sign a really good player if you are competing with other clubs and that is their role. Last year he signed for two million and provided 1.7 WAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: As I sit and think about pitching options and I am still in favor of no qualifying offers, losing my target of Odorizzi hurts. It looks like we keep Kopech down to manage innings(regain year also). Gio, Lopez, Cease are in. So two likely additions. I advocated that in my originating this thread post with the second being a swing guy or tradeable as other guys get healthy. What is clear is they need to be healthy at the start of the season which is why I don't advocate guys like Wood or other injury question marks. I think we want healthyish, possibly left handed, cheapish, good clubhouse, short term deal etc. By midseason, this guy can go to the pen as Kopech, Rodon, Dunning or others return. He could come back if injuries or innings limits are reached. IE this guy kinda looks like a better Santiago. I worry re homer prone though his numbers aren't bad and early in the year with cold weather the ball isn't jumping. In fact his numbers of less than one hr per nine is way better than almost anyone on our team not named Bummer. For cheap what about the unexciting but actually fairly competent #5/swing man Gio Gonzalez. You are not going to sign a really good player if you are competing with other clubs and that is their role. Last year he signed for two million and provided 1.7 WAR. I agree with the swing man idea. Smyly, Pomeranz, salary dump (plus interesting enough spect or two) of Rich Hill are some ideas off the top of my head. Edited November 20, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Ellsbury and Greg bird a free agents lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Could see Sox putting a claim in on Nestor Cortes. Two options remaining and Sox are so thin on LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Could see Sox putting a claim in on Nestor Cortes. Two options remaining and Sox are so thin on LHP. Plus he's Cuban so we have to keep the tradition going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Could see Sox putting a claim in on Nestor Cortes. Two options remaining and Sox are so thin on LHP. He also dominated the Sox in a game last season. I’d be all for it just for depth if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Trade: Carson Fulmer for Travis Shaw. LH hitter that can play 3B, 2B, and 1B with some pop. Has had prior success but struggled in 2019. Brewers seem to be done with him so a flyer on Fulmer could be a fair swap. Sign: Zack Wheeler- Everyone’s obvious top signing that is realistic for the Sox. 5/105 Nick Castellanos- I know a lot of people have issues with his D in RF, but he’s still young and made drastic improvements from year 1 to year 2 at a new position. If he can simply be league average defensively his bat will play more than enough to justify the contract. 4/66 Brad Bach and Arodys Vizcaino- 2 bounce back relief candidates to take a chance on to stabilize the pen. 1/5 for both. Josh Lindblom- Potential great value to eat innings as a 5th starter or could be a useful pen arm. The model for success for coming back from overseas is there. 2/7.5 C- McCann 1B- Abreu 2B- Madrigal 3B- Moncada SS- TA LF- Eloy CF- Robert RF- Castellanos DH- Collins Bench- Shaw, Luery, Mendick, ?(maybe another C or a better RH DH platoon) Gio Wheeler Cease Lopez Lindblom/Kopech Frye Bach Marshall Cordero Vizciano Bummer Colome About $128M for payroll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 We sign my number one target and though I had an option, my total 4/76 was pretty close!!! Great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Need a RF and the offense is set, I think our bench will be good enough too. Keep in mind we still have some trade fodder, a big trade is possible to set up our pitching and bullpen too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 not gonna happen, but my Christmas wish list is to sign Rendon, slide Moncada to RF and then sign Wheeler. Wait one year, and then go out and trade a few of your better minor league guys for the equivalent of what Cole was to the Astros or Sale was for the BoSox. Top ACE you traded for, Giolito, Wheeler, Kopech, Cease Robert, Moncada, Rendon, Eloy, Abreu, Grandal, (DH - EE??), Timmy, Madrigal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Sooooo, they're at what 75ish mill in payroll now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Does Kopech start the season on the big club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: Does Kopech start the season on the big club? No, the rotation will be Giolito, Wheeler, Lopez, Hill, Cease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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