ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 hours ago, fathom said: I’m just looking for above average core players for the next 2-3 years. Castellanos and Wheeler are my favorites with JDM not an option. Go get them, Jason Castro, Encarnacion and a few relievers (to go with Abreu) You want an everyday lineup with 1 left handed hitter? That is never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Gotta grab Grandal and Wheeler now. Supplement that with one of Odorizzi/Miley/Hamels/Ryu and one of Moose/Castellanos/Ozuna/Encarnacion. Trade for Marte or Pederson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Gregorious is turning 30 before next season and would be fine hitting against RHP, to the tune of an 818 OPS from 2016-2018. Would you rather have Didi or Yolmer Sanchez? I'm assuming that if we don't get Grandal, then we're REALLY going to be scrambling to find some half-way competent hitters. He's not a full-time DH (certainly not against LHP), but he's an experienced player and would provide veteran leadership, as well as the ability to play every position on the infield and also DH. The question would be whether he would be willing to accept a part-time role? IMO, having another really solid player on the roster always have a way of working itself out...you can't have TOO MANY good players, right? Considering his injuries, he would be one of the better "buy low" candidates on the market, IMO...similar to a Dickerson, although a bit more expensive due to his Yankees' pedigree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Pal said: Gotta grab Grandal and Wheeler now. Supplement that with one of Odorizzi/Miley/Hamels/Ryu and one of Moose/Castellanos/Ozuna/Encarnacion. Trade for Marte or Pederson. Ryu is going to be too expensive for that pitching second addition. Odorizzi is bordering on it, if you're also adding Wheeler AND Grandal. Based on his bWAR/fWAR numbers, the D-Backs are going to ask for a king's ransom on Marte. He's the ultimate "sell high" candidate on the trade market, IMO. Pederson's more likely, just because of the one year remaining...but the Dodgers need him as well unless they're 100% sure they can rely on Pollock and Verdugo for a full season (jury's still out.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Ryu is going to be too expensive for that pitching second addition. Odorizzi is bordering on it, if you're also adding Wheeler AND Grandal. Based on his bWAR/fWAR numbers, the D-Backs are going to ask for a king's ransom on Marte. He's the ultimate "sell high" candidate on the trade market, IMO. Pederson's more likely, just because of the one year remaining...but the Dodgers need him as well unless they're 100% sure they can rely on Pollock and Verdugo for a full season (jury's still out.) Not Ketel Marte, Starling Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Not Ketel Marte, Starling Marte. I thought Damaso. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) FG projected 2/$32 for Ryu. If the bidding is really that low, he would be a fantastic fit. Edited November 5, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: FG projected 2/$32 for Ryu. If the bidding is really that low, he would be a fantastic fit. He does seem like a hot potato candidate but that seems low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Gregorious is turning 30 before next season and would be fine hitting against RHP, to the tune of an 818 OPS from 2016-2018. Would you rather have Didi or Yolmer Sanchez? I'm assuming that if we don't get Grandal, then we're REALLY going to be scrambling to find some half-way competent hitters. He's not a full-time DH (certainly not against LHP), but he's an experienced player and would provide veteran leadership, as well as the ability to play every position on the infield and also DH. The question would be whether he would be willing to accept a part-time role? IMO, having another really solid player on the roster always have a way of working itself out...you can't have TOO MANY good players, right? Considering his injuries, he would be one of the better "buy low" candidates on the market, IMO...similar to a Dickerson, although a bit more expensive due to his Yankees' pedigree. Yolmer = 4 million... Didi = 14 million... For a backup I'd rather have Yolmer. Clearly Didi is far and away better but we just don't have a position for him that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: FG projected 2/$32 for Ryu. If the bidding is really that low, he would be a fantastic fit. I'd think he would be on a 3 year 60 million deal.. Something short but high ABV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, cjgalloway said: Yolmer = 4 million... Didi = 14 million... For a backup I'd rather have Yolmer. Clearly Didi is far and away better but we just don't have a position for him that makes sense. Didi will be fortunate to get half that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Didi will be fortunate to get half that. I guess we will agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: I thought Damaso. Lol. What about Andy? Edited November 5, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Didi will be fortunate to get half that. Huh? Didi is going to get A lot more than $7M AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Didi will get $14M if not more. He's a high risk high reward compared to Moustakas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Why would he get anything guaranteed above $9-10 million coming off the season he just had? To play 3B, SS or 2B everyday? If the Yankees are out, and that’s a very good possibility...who’s going to pay him that much? He was worth 0.9 for fWAR, Yolmer was worth 1.0. Why even bother with advanced metrics...if Yolmer’s numbers are just worth 28.6% of Gregorious’? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Pal said: Gotta grab Grandal and Wheeler now. Supplement that with one of Odorizzi/Miley/Hamels/Ryu and one of Moose/Castellanos/Ozuna/Encarnacion. Trade for Marte or Pederson. Agreed. Sign Wheeler 5 years/$90M Sign Grandal 4 years/$68M Sign Keuchel 3 years/$45M Sign Abreu 2 years/$28M Trade for Joc Pederson 1 year/$8.5M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why would he get anything guaranteed above $9-10 million coming off the season he just had? To play 3B, SS or 2B everyday? If the Yankees are out, and that’s a very good possibility...who’s going to pay him that much? He was worth 0.9 for fWAR, Yolmer was worth 1.0. Why even bother with advanced metrics...if Yolmer’s numbers are just worth 28.6% of Gregorious’? Um... uh. 1. Didi played 82 games. 2. The year prior he had a WAR of 4.7 and the year before that it was 4.1. Teams amazingly don't only judge you based on one half season coming off injury. If you think a guy who averaged 4.4 WAR over the two year period is going to sign for 9-10 million, you crazy. Are you willingly ignorant? Edited November 5, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, KennyPowers said: Agreed. Sign Wheeler 5 years/$90M Sign Grandal 4 years/$68M Sign Keuchel 3 years/$45M Sign Abreu 2 years/$28M Trade for Joc Pederson 1 year/$8.5M I expect the Wheeler market to be fierce, but I'm not sure he will get a fifth year guaranteed given some past injury history. I see a bidding war that gets to four years with a club option for a fifth with buyout. The main thing will be to see how high he can get teams desperate for #2/3 starting pitching to offer annually. Giving Abreu the QO was a smart move by the Sox, as it really will ding his chances of signing elsewhere with compensation attached. He would be wise to accept it, because I truly feel the Sox want to go year by year with him moving forward with Vaughn looking to quickly rise through the minors as an advanced college bat. I can see the club really wanting to spend the money they have been paying him on other areas to improve the club in 2021/2022. Keuchel/Roark/Wood/etc. could be solid #4 starters for this club and we lack reliable depth. I think we certainly add two starting pitchers this season. Edited November 5, 2019 by steveno89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Um... uh. 1. Didi played 82 games. 2. The year prior he had a WAR of 4.7 and the year before that it was 4.1. Teams amazingly don't only judge you based on one half season coming off injury. If you think a guy who averaged 4.4 WAR over the two year period is going to sign for 9-10 million, you crazy. Are you willingly ignorant? Are the Yankees? They didn’t give him a QO, but we’re giving Abreu one who is worth roughly 30-35% by your 4.4 projection. If he’s going to put up those numbers, he’s a $30-35 million dollar player...at the very least, in the mid $20’s. And yet the Yankees aren’t seeing that value so clearly. Are they really going to play Torres at SS, LeMahieu at 2B and Andujar/Urshela on the left side? That would be a terrible alignment with Torres and Andujar on the field at the same time. https://unhingedyankees.com/2019/08/09/a-way-too-early-2020-yankees-roster-prediction/ 1B: Luke Voit 2B: Gleyber Torres SS: Didi Gregorius 3B: DJ LeMahieu Reserve: Gio Urshela There are a couple of question marks for the Yankees infield heading into 2020. The biggest question will be will they re-sign Didi Gregorius. I believe the answer will be yes. Gregorius has been a catalyst in helping the Yankees rebound from a handful of down years into becoming a perennial contender. His production both at the plate and in the field is irreplaceable, and it’s doubtful they will let that walk out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why would he get anything guaranteed above $9-10 million coming off the season he just had? To play 3B, SS or 2B everyday? If the Yankees are out, and that’s a very good possibility...who’s going to pay him that much? He was worth 0.9 for fWAR, Yolmer was worth 1.0. Why even bother with advanced metrics...if Yolmer’s numbers are just worth 28.6% of Gregorious’? Didi would be a pretty great fit for the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, KennyPowers said: Agreed. Sign Wheeler 5 years/$90M Sign Grandal 4 years/$68M Sign Keuchel 3 years/$45M Sign Abreu 2 years/$28M Trade for Joc Pederson 1 year/$8.5M This is probably best case scenario. Honestly, probably could go cheaper on the 2nd SP. Someone like Wood, Tehran, Rich Hill, Smyly. Other RF trade options could work as well. But this or a variation of this is pretty close to the best we can realistically expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Didi would be a pretty great fit for the Twins. At what position? They have Polanco at SS, Sano at 3B, Arraez/Adrianza, Marwin Gonzalez all over the field and Cron. Not seeing the need. The Twins have to replace Odorizzi, Gibson, M.Perez and Pineda. And shore up their bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: At what position? They have Polanco at SS, Sano at 3B, Arraez/Adrianza, Marwin Gonzalez all over the field and Cron. Not seeing the need. The Twins have to replace Odorizzi, Gibson, M.Perez and Pineda. And shore up their bullpen. Polonco is a terrible SS. Move him to 3B. Didi to SS. Finally move Sano to 1B fulltime where he belongs. Arraez/Gonzalez share 2B and of OF duties. Cron will likely be non-tendered. It makes a ton of sense for them, and I know they're very interested in him. Odorizzi is going to take the QO. But yah, they have some work to do on that rotation. Edited November 5, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 15 hours ago, fathom said: Castellanos, Abreu and Keuchel is the mlbtr prediction I don't hate it if you add one more pitcher and find someone to play right and have Castellanos DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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