Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Orlando said: Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy? Honestly no.. I am not huge on MadBum or Castellanos as our 2 big "gets". I am fine with Encarnacion and Kuechel as our 3 and 4 pieces though. Sub either Wheeler for MadBum OR Grandal for Castellanos and I would be fine with it. Edited November 6, 2019 by cjgalloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Orlando said: Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy? Is Abreu in there too? Man, the defense on that team would be awful. I'd give that offseason a C+. I'd rather see that than basically nothing, but that is nowhere near the route I think is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Orlando said: Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy? No Kuechel. They don't need two FA SP on multi year deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Orlando said: Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy? That's fine if we try to get Grandal and Wheeler first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) I’ll add to the “would you be happy with...” posts. Would you be happy with an off-season consisting of: Gerrit Cole ...and that’s it? Assume re-signing Abreu too. Wait for in-house options to arrive to fill RF and DH holes or reassess next offseason? I think I would. Edited November 7, 2019 by 35thstreetswarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: I’ll add to the “would you be happy with...” posts. Would you be happy with an off-season consisting of: Gerrit Cole ...and that’s it? Wait for in-house options to arrive to fill RF and DH holes or reassess next offseason? I think I would. But why? It’s not realistic. Sox have zero legitimate options in RF and DH to play everyday. They have to add at least those two. But would I be happy with say - Cole then say Nova, Encarnacion and Dickerson all one 1 year deals? Ya, sure. It’d be bizarre, but I could get behind it I guess. Edited November 7, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: I’ll add to the “would you be happy with...” posts. Would you be happy with an off-season consisting of: Gerrit Cole ...and that’s it? Assume re-signing if Avery too. Wait for in-house options to arrive to fill RF and DH holes or reassess next offseason? I think I would. Yes actually. April would be rough, but I’d be happier than with the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: But why? It’s not realistic. Sox have zero legitimate options in RF and DH to play everyday. They have to add at least those two. But would I be happy with say - Cole then say Nova, Encarnacion and Dickerson all one 1 year deals? Ya, sure. It’d be bizarre, but I could get behind it I guess. I agree. At the very least bring in someone cheap to fill those positions. What's the point of bringing in the best player on the market if you're not at least taking a stab at filling your other 2 holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I agree. At the very least bring in someone cheap to fill those positions. What's the point of bringing in the best player on the market if you're not at least taking a stab at filling your other 2 holes. I don’t get an I agree from you very often! Special day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I agree. At the very least bring in someone cheap to fill those positions. What's the point of bringing in the best player on the market if you're not at least taking a stab at filling your other 2 holes. The question wasn’t “is it realistic”, it was gauging how people would react to “incomplete” team of it received an elite upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: The question wasn’t “is it realistic”, it was gauging how people would react to “incomplete” team of it received an elite upgrade. I'd react negatively and I think Cole is likely the smartest signing we could make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Cole for $280-300 million (in his early 30's and with a lot of recent high-stress mileage on his arm) vs. Betts (at age 28, beginning 2021 season) for $350 million is really a fascinating debate from an ideal roster construction standpoint. Edited November 7, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 How about this lineup: Robert - CF Moncada - 3B Grandal - C Abreu - 1B Eloy - LF Moustakas - DH Dickerson - RF Anderson - SS Madrigal - 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: How about this lineup: Robert - CF Moncada - 3B Grandal - C Abreu - 1B Eloy - LF Moustakas - DH Dickerson - RF Anderson - SS Madrigal - 2B That’s fine if they’re going to sign another low risk veteran outfielder who can play all three positions...running the likes of Cordell, Skole, Delmonico, Engel and Palka out there must come to an end. Edited November 7, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 19 hours ago, Orlando said: Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy? Hell yeah I would be happy. That would be far beyond anything Sox fans could reasonably hope for. Sprinkle in Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, plus perhaps a pen arm and we would be far better in 2020. Still does not address the catcher position long term though. I feel like the Sox will look to make a trade involving Stiever and Walker/Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez plus perhaps a lower level prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 4 hours ago, steveno89 said: Hell yeah I would be happy. That would be far beyond anything Sox fans could reasonably hope for. Sprinkle in Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, plus perhaps a pen arm and we would be far better in 2020. Still does not address the catcher position long term though. I feel like the Sox will look to make a trade involving Stiever and Walker/Adolfo/Rutherford/Gonzalez plus perhaps a lower level prospect. What could we expect to get for say, Steiver, Rutherford and Laz Rivera? (using your list) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Mainly just spitballing here, but if Abreu takes the QO as most expect, I wonder if Matt Carpenter might be an option for 1B, moving Abreu to DH where he belongs. Carpenter is owned $39M over the next two years, so not cheap, and that would obviously complicate any deal. But the Sox may be be able to get something appealing with him as I am sure Cards would love to dump the salary. Would be a defensive upgrade at 1B over Abreu. Bats left handed. Elite OBP skills (career .372 OBP). Just one season removed from 5.0 fWAR season. Was terrible last season (for him), but still put him .334 OBP (better than Abreu's .330). Not campaigning for the move, and he is likely too expensive to make it work, but I haven't seen his name mentioned here at all, and he could potentially be a fit. Edited November 7, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Mainly just spitballing here, but if Abreu takes the QO as most expect, I wonder if Matt Carpenter might be an option for 1B, moving Abreu to DH where he belongs. Carpenter is owned $39M over the next two years, so not cheap, and that would obviously complicate any deal. But the Sox may be be able to get something appealing with him as I am sure Cards would love to dump the salary. Would be a defensive upgrade at 1B over Abreu. Bats left handed. Elite OBP skills (career .372 OBP). Just one season removed from 5.0 fWAR season. Was terrible last season (for him), but still put him .334 OBP (better than Abreu's .330). Not campaigning for the move, and he is likely too expensive to make it work, but I haven't seen his name mentioned here at all, and he could potentially be a fit. I wouldn't want any 1B longer than a 1 year deal because Vaughn should be coming up. Not sure what you would do with a guy like that in 2021 assuming he's declining. I don't see the risk reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Mainly just spitballing here, but if Abreu takes the QO as most expect, I wonder if Matt Carpenter might be an option for 1B, moving Abreu to DH where he belongs. Carpenter is owned $39M over the next two years, so not cheap, and that would obviously complicate any deal. But the Sox may be be able to get something appealing with him as I am sure Cards would love to dump the salary. Would be a defensive upgrade at 1B over Abreu. Bats left handed. Elite OBP skills (career .372 OBP). Just one season removed from 5.0 fWAR season. Was terrible last season (for him), but still put him .334 OBP (better than Abreu's .330). Not campaigning for the move, and he is likely too expensive to make it work, but I haven't seen his name mentioned here at all, and he could potentially be a fit. I don't hate this idea.... He also could play 2B until Madrigal comes up. This was his primary position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 This is my plan. I am thinking BIG Trade Madrigal and parts to Boston for Benitendi/Price Shift Moncada to 2nd Sign Anthony Rendon for 3rd base 7/240 ish deal Sign Wheeler to 5/120 deal Sign Grandal to 3/60 deal with a 4th year option Sign Abreu 1/18 qualifying Lineup- Cf Robert 2b Moncada 3B Rendon LF Eloy 1B ABREU (2021 tbr by Vaughn) C Grandal/Mcann/ Collins occasionally DH Collins/Grandal/ Eloy occasionally RF Benitendi SS Anderson Starters Gio, Wheeler, Price, Cease, Kopech/Lopez Rodon or Lopez is traded at deadline for Reliever and Utility bat Sanchez, goins are gone and Leury is Utility to start season No major bullpen upgrades, but sign highest upside lefty you can afford. This team competes immediately and outside of probably losing Moncada has a 3-4 year BIG run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: I wouldn't want any 1B longer than a 1 year deal because Vaughn should be coming up. Not sure what you would do with a guy like that in 2021 assuming he's declining. I don't see the risk reward. I get that. But if Abreu takes the QO, he could be the guy that walks after 2020 and Carp can DH. Plus Carpenter can play 3B and 2B, so its not like his only position is 1B. Those positions are obviously taken too, but point is, he has quite a bit more flexibility. Again, not in love with the fit, just an idea that I was thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: This is my plan. I am thinking BIG Trade Madrigal and parts to Boston for Benitendi/Price Shift Moncada to 2nd Sign Anthony Rendon for 3rd base 7/240 ish deal Sign Wheeler to 5/120 deal Sign Grandal to 3/60 deal with a 4th year option Sign Abreu 1/18 qualifying Lineup- Cf Robert 2b Moncada 3B Rendon LF Eloy 1B ABREU (2021 tbr by Vaughn) C Grandal/Mcann/ Collins occasionally DH Collins/Grandal/ Eloy occasionally RF Benitendi SS Anderson Starters Gio, Wheeler, Price, Cease, Kopech/Lopez Rodon or Lopez is traded at deadline for Reliever and Utility bat Sanchez, goins are gone and Leury is Utility to start season No major bullpen upgrades, but sign highest upside lefty you can afford. This team competes immediately and outside of probably losing Moncada has a 3-4 year BIG run. That would push our payroll near 200 million wouldnt it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, EloyJenkins said: This is my plan. I am thinking BIG You must be new around here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: That would push our payroll near 200 million wouldnt it? Shoot, I forgot to clarify a few things: I overshot Wheeler a bit to ensure they get him. Let's adjust to 5/110 Trade for Price would include cash to knock down his yearly contract. 36 million sounds realistic (and we may even need to add lopez or dunning +...so he would be $20 mil a year Price 20 mil Rendon 34 mil Wheeler 22 mil Grandal 20 mil Abreu 18 mil (1 season only) Benintendi 4.9 mil New Salary - 119 mil this season 101 mil 2021 40 mil of assumed salary for roster Losing Sanchez 6.9 mil Goins 900 K so about 160 mil for 2020 and 140 mil for 2021 (obviously will be adjusted with losses and additions) Edited November 7, 2019 by EloyJenkins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: You must be new around here. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I made an aggressive plan...will Hahn do it...I know he wont, but why not put together an absolutely killer team and see what it would look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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