1549 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 So far this offseason, I have not heard anything about Kenny Williams being on the hot seat, why is this? Our farm system is nothing to go crazy for, and our team is going to hit the free agent market, meaning that to compete again we will need to spike our payroll. When you have a lot of veteran players leaving for freeagency, and few youngsters ready to rise to the scene, I think you have failed as a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 So far this offseason, I have not heard anything about Kenny Williams being on the hot seat, why is this? Our farm system is nothing to go crazy for, and our team is going to hit the free agent market, meaning that to compete again we will need to spike our payroll. When you have a lot of veteran players leaving for freeagency, and few youngsters ready to rise to the scene, I think you have failed as a GM. I'd love to see the Sox put Minyana in as GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I think he is on the hot seat actaully. I dont think we are going to make the playoffs, and I think its very possible he is gone after this season. Do you mean next season? If you mean this season, well...ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Yeah, I agree with that . Mainly because I think the fans will be calling for his head, and Reinsdorf has nobody else to have take the fall with Jerry gone. And as much as we all hate to admit it, JR will be the kingpin for the rest of most of our lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'm only 20. I plan to outlive the cheap bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I think its safe to say we arent going to have as good of as a team as we did last year, ON PAPER at least, but if we fail this year again, with a new manger, something else needs to be done besides firiring the hitting coach. Don't be so sure of that. With the RIGHT moves, we'll compete as much as the next team out there. Get some more speed in here for damn sure, and a powerful LH bat or two wouldn't hurt either. And then get a cheaper replacement for Colon who will eat innings and pitch well, and you could have a half decent team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I think its safe to say we arent going to have as good of as a team as we did last year, ON PAPER at least, but if we fail this year again, with a new manger, something else needs to be done besides firiring the hitting coach. I dunno, even if we do lose guys like Everett I still think we could look just as good on paper. That is if Paul Konerko plays up to his potential, than again paulie might not even be here next season. The White Sox really need some speed at the top of that line-up, I'll s*** a brick if I have to watch the same amount of rally ending double plays next season. The key is re-signing Colon, finding a new shortstop, and finding a reliable 5th starter. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Don't be so sure of that. With the RIGHT moves, we'll compete as much as the next team out there. Get some more speed in here for damn sure, and a powerful LH bat or two wouldn't hurt either. And then get a cheaper replacement for Colon who will eat innings and pitch well, and you could have a half decent team. As dire as things seem, I don't think the Sox are in that bad of a situation IF, and that's a huge IF, KW makes the right moves this offseason. I have been calling for KW's head since he started GM'ing the White Sox and this IS DEFINITELY KW's make-or-break season to show Sox fans that he is capable of GM'ing this team. And I echo the resign Colon or bring in a proven winner, more speed, and a reliable 3rd, 4th, or 5th starter sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 damn the body is hardly cold from this season and we're ready to write off NEXT SEASON, too. I hope not. hell, the Cubs lost 95 games last year. Time to get to work and win the most winnable division in baseball. enough building for the future. That's garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 As dire as things seem, I don't think the Sox are in that bad of a situation IF, and that's a huge IF, KW makes the right moves this offseason. I have been calling for KW's head since he started GM'ing the White Sox and this IS DEFINITELY KW's make-or-break season to show Sox fans that he is capable of GM'ing this team. And I echo the resign Colon or bring in a proven winner, more speed, and a reliable 3rd, 4th, or 5th starter sentiment. I agree. One way to look at it is that they are already in a better situation then last year. We had JM last year. Anyways, yes, I feel the same as you. Our starting pitching should be pretty good next year, especially if we bring back Colon or a proven winner, like you said, and another starter as well. I personally think that Garland will pitch much better under a different manager who has more confidence in him(I'm thinking shortly after July), but he also has to take some of the blame himself. Us not getting off to a hot start was partly due to him and his 8.00 ERA in April. If he starts off well, he could have a good year along with us having a decent year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Like I said before I don't envy KW this offseason. We will see just how good a GM that KW is this offseason. What Sox fans fail to realize is that with salary increases, arbitration eligible players, and options I figure that the Sox will have a little more then 45M on the books for next year. That still leaves major holes at DH(that 45M doesn't include Thomas's option), 2B(unless you feel Miles or Harris is an everyday 2B), SS(that 45M doesn't include Valentin's option), front of the rotation starter(doesn't include Colon resigning), right handed reliever(only proven right hander in the pen would be Koch), and bench(most of the key bench players are FA). That is a lot of holes to fill with about 10-15M to spend. That is why I think we will see 3 things happen this offseason. 1) AT LEAST 1 big salary will be traded, and possible 2 or 3. 2) The Sox will find cheap replacement players to fill some of the holes. 3) The Sox WILL NOT be big players on the FA market. It will be VERY hard to put a team that can win the division with so many holes and very little money to spend, and that is why KW's job this offseason is going to be VERY hard. If the Sox find a way to make the playoffs next year with a 60M/yr payroll, than KW SHOULD finally get some respect as a solid GM. If the Sox finish around .500(which is likely at this point), than KW should be on the hot seat for the 2005 season. If the Sox finish below .500, than KW should be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Like I said before I don't envy KW this offseason. We will see just how good a GM that KW is this offseason I shudder at the thought..... LOL Then again it is a good thing he has some good people around him. Let's hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted October 14, 2003 Author Share Posted October 14, 2003 I shudder at the thought..... LOL Then again it is a good thing he has some good people around him. Let's hope that helps. Hey Rex, any chance that some prospects will be making the jump to the major leagues? I know it is still early, but I am sure we will have a few spots in the bullpen open for competition. Who do you think is ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 Kw shield is now gone , he is officially on the clock now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 "I shudder at the thought..... LOL Then again it is a good thing he has some good people around him. Let's hope that helps." I think people around here should give KW a little respect. Is he a great GM? NO. Is he an aggressive GM that tries to improve weaknesses and put a contender on the field with a limited payroll? Yes. All of his trades haven't worked out, but the intentions were good. Its KW job to put talent on the roster, but its the players job to perform on the field. I also hate people that say other people should be credited for KW's moves or that he is getting TONS of help. That is just some BS. ALL GM's get help to some extent from scouts, directors, assistants, ect. In order to accurately tell how much help a GM is getting someone would have to actually WORK in the front office, and I doubt any of you do that. I also hate how people credit the good moves to others, but blame the bad moves on KW. You have to pick one way or the other. Either KW is getting a TON of help and others should take credit for the moves whether GOOD OR BAD, or KW should get credit for the GOOD OR BAD moves. It will be interesting to see what KW does. If the Sox make a solid run at the playoffs in 2004 with the constrants that KW has, than I think he should get some respect and keep his job. If the Sox struggle and don't finish above .500, than I think KW should be relieved of his duties. Like I said I don't envy him. He is going to have to be very creative in order to put a contender on the field with the amount of holes and little money to fill the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 So far this offseason, I have not heard anything about Kenny Williams being on the hot seat, why is this? Our farm system is nothing to go crazy for, and our team is going to hit the free agent market, meaning that to compete again we will need to spike our payroll. When you have a lot of veteran players leaving for freeagency, and few youngsters ready to rise to the scene, I think you have failed as a GM. When Kenny fired Manuel, he bought himself a little bit of time. You have to remember that KW did not hire JM. Manuel was in place when KW got the GM position. I would say that JM was KW's safety net. Well, he's cut the net, so now KW would be the one on the hot seat, from this point forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 hell, the Cubs lost 95 games last year. Cub payroll? 70 to 90 million, I think. Sox payroll? Not. Cubs added Karros, Grudzalanek, Ramirez, Lofton, two catchers, and 3 middle relievers. Until we spend the dough, don't get your hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 So far this offseason, I have not heard anything about Kenny Williams being on the hot seat, why is this? Our farm system is nothing to go crazy for, and our team is going to hit the free agent market, meaning that to compete again we will need to spike our payroll. When you have a lot of veteran players leaving for freeagency, and few youngsters ready to rise to the scene, I think you have failed as a GM. When Kenny fired Manuel, he bought himself a little bit of time. You have to remember that KW did not hire JM. Manuel was in place when KW got the GM position. I would say that JM was KW's safety net. Well, he's cut the net, so now KW would be the one on the hot seat, from this point forward. You are right, Kenny didn't hire JM, but he did give him the extention for which he will be paid $1.2 million to do nothing next summer. Of course, the argument can be made that he was paid $1.2 million to do nothing this summer. There definitely is some fire to the stories HSC and NCorg have come up with. KW's seat is very hot, if he even has a seat in this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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