poppysox Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Announced today that Nick Madrigal won minor league GG. Not long now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Won't be the only GG he'll win in his career I reckon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boopa1219 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I think he gets signed to an extension this spring training. He’s going to be a good player for the Sox for a long time with his glove and his ability to make contact. I know some people here see him as a leadoff hitter but to me, he’s the ideal nine hitter (second lead off man). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: I think he gets signed to an extension this spring training. He’s going to be a good player for the Sox for a long time with his glove and his ability to make contact. I know some people here see him as a leadoff hitter but to me, he’s the ideal nine hitter (second lead off man). #1…#2 or #9 depending on managers style. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I don't see an extension this early for Madigral. He doesn't profile as a potential 200+ mil player, which is probably what leads to the Sox wanting to do these early deals. But yeah, he should be a good one for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: I think he gets signed to an extension this spring training. He’s going to be a good player for the Sox for a long time with his glove and his ability to make contact. I know some people here see him as a leadoff hitter but to me, he’s the ideal nine hitter (second lead off man). I see him as a 9 man. I want Robert leading off a la Springer and Acuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: I see him as a 9 man. I want Robert leading off a la Springer and Acuna. I couldn’t agree more. Robert fits the profile of the new lead off man perfectly. His speed and power combo is something I’d like to see at the top of the lineup. 9. Madrigal 1. Robert 2. Moncada 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, poppysox said: #1…#2 or #9 depending on managers style. I’ve put the Sox players into lineup optimizers that I could find online. I’ve ran simulations with just internal options and I’ve ran simulations with guys like Martínez, Grandal, Nimmo, and Dickerson added. One thing is consistent in all the best possible lineups for the Sox regardless of who’s in the lineup, Madrigal is batting ninth. Madrigal isn’t a run producer, so he shouldn’t be batting in top of the order. I’d rather make sure guys like Moncada and Robert get more PAs than Madrigal. I think batting him ninth allows him to be another table setter and give guys like Robert and Moncada more RBI opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: I couldn’t agree more. Robert fits the profile of the new lead off man perfectly. His speed and power combo is something I’d like to see at the top of the lineup. 9. Madrigal 1. Robert 2. Moncada This is the lineup for me if we dont sign a stud DH: 1. Madrigal 2. Robert 3. Moncada 4. Eloy 5. Abreu / Replaced by Vaughn in 2021 6. DH 7. Anderson 8. McCann (regression reasons) 9. RF FA - some semblence of Speed and contact. If we sign a Stud DH or Grandal...Madrigal moves to ninth and everyone shifts forward 1 and Grandal Moves behind Abreu Edited October 15, 2019 by EloyJenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said: This is the lineup for me if we dont a stud DH: 1. Madrigal 2. Robert 3. Moncada 4. Eloy 5. Abreu / Replaced by Vaughn in 2021 6. DH 7. Anderson 8. McCann (regression reasons) 9. RF FA - some semblence of Speed and contact. Batting Moncada third is a waste. The third hitter gets a lot of at bats with no one on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Batting Moncada third is a waste. The third hitter gets a lot of at bats with no one on base. You have anything to back that up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: You have anything to back that up? It's fairly well known in saber studies. The 3rd spot is massively over rated. You should probably put your 3rd worst hitter there or even 2nd worst. The key is to not have a lot of automatic outs in a row. Most teams put 7,8,9 as their worst and not only is that like giving the pitcher a free inning it also rarely sets the table for you best hitters, which should be usually 1,2,4,5,6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: You have anything to back that up? https://venomstrikes.com/2015/01/05/optimizing-batting-order-teams-can-score-runs/ https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: It's fairly well known in saber studies. The 3rd spot is massively over rated. You should probably put your 3rd worst hitter there or even 2nd worst. The key is to not have a lot of automatic outs in a row. Most teams put 7,8,9 as their worst and not only is that like giving the pitcher a free inning it also rarely sets the table for you best hitters, which should be usually 1,2,4,5,6. Wouldn't it also depend on how stacked your lineup actually is? The lineup has so much potential to have a legit talent at every spot. So your 3 worst hitters hitting 7-8-9 could still be quite good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox05 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Joshua Strong said: I couldn’t agree more. Robert fits the profile of the new lead off man perfectly. His speed and power combo is something I’d like to see at the top of the lineup. 9. Madrigal 1. Robert 2. Moncada I completely agree here. Ideally for me it would be 1. Robert 2. Moncada . 4. Eloy ...... 8. Anderson 9. Madrigal But yes he will win multiple GG in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 How things have changed. The #9 spot was usually reserved for your worst hitter. (That's still the case in the NL with the pitcher batting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Wouldn't it also depend on how stacked your lineup actually is? The lineup has so much potential to have a legit talent at every spot. So your 3 worst hitters hitting 7-8-9 could still be quite good. Possibly, above my pay grade. But to be fair the same studies basically showed the delta between an optimized lineup and one that is completely optimized is 10 runs. So basically one win, at absolute most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox05 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Putting your 2nd worst hitter 3rd in the order is crazy. You never give one of your worst hitters more PAs than better hitters. I see splitting them up like at spots 6 & 9, but you don't put them 3rd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox05 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I think eventually we see 1. Robert 2. Moncada 3. Vaughn 4. Eloy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Lineup construction is always fun especially when you don't know what your team will look like. Robert Yo JDM Eloy Joc Abreu Tim McCann Madrigal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Batting Moncada third is a waste. The third hitter gets a lot of at bats with no one on base. Our lineup is strong 1 thru 9. Wherever he bats there will frequently be people on. Nice problems making out this lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, poppysox said: Our lineup is strong 1 thru 9. Wherever he bats there will frequently be people on. Nice problems making out this lineup. As it stands now, it's not strong 1-9. They still need to find a DH and a RF, and who knows how Robert will fare when he arrives. He could struggle out of the gate. Same with Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 what does he profile out to be, something like a chone figgins minus the switch hitting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: It's fairly well known in saber studies. The 3rd spot is massively over rated. You should probably put your 3rd worst hitter there or even 2nd worst. The key is to not have a lot of automatic outs in a row. Most teams put 7,8,9 as their worst and not only is that like giving the pitcher a free inning it also rarely sets the table for you best hitters, which should be usually 1,2,4,5,6. What??? You should bat your second worst hitter in a position that has the third most at bats? That's absurd. Your best hitter should likely hit 2nd. No one argues that a bad hitter should be hitting 3rd. They just argue that 2nd and 4th have more value. Some argue 5th over 3rd too but theres really not much difference between the two and id give more at bats over more opportunities with runners on base. Edited October 15, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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