Chicago White Sox Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: Let all the other teams argue and negotiate over Cole and Strasburg while we swoop in and lock up Wheeler. I honestly think our plan will be aggressive pursuits of Wheeler & Bumgarner right from the get go and not ever getting involving in the Cole & Strasburg sweepstakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, turnin' two said: I can't see the Sox paying for Strasburg or Cole. I'm not in love with Wheeler and his 1.3 WHIP and pedestrian ERA, though he is certainly an upgrade, I honestly don't understand all the love for him. Ryu maybe a good target. A bit older and injury concerns, thought that may keep his price down. His results have been nothing short of great. I think he or Keuchel are much more realistic targets. Though who knows, maybe the Dodgers decide they want to keep him, then he all of a sudden becomes very expensive. Psychological defense mechanisms are powerful things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, turnin' two said: I can't see the Sox paying for Strasburg or Cole. I'm not in love with Wheeler and his 1.3 WHIP and pedestrian ERA, though he is certainly an upgrade, I honestly don't understand all the love for him. Ryu maybe a good target. A bit older and injury concerns, thought that may keep his price down. His results have been nothing short of great. I think he or Keuchel are much more realistic targets. Though who knows, maybe the Dodgers decide they want to keep him, then he all of a sudden becomes very expensive. I wouldn't touch Keuchel tbh. He's going to want a 3 or 4 year deal and he's been trending down for a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: If he opts out, Give me Strasburg. Let everyone else waste their time on Gerrit Cole. Completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: He's been healthy for 2 seasons. I'd rather have Strasburg on a 5 year $28-30 AAV deal than Cole on a 7-8 year $32-35 AAV deal, despite Cole being 2 years younger. He pitched 130 inning last year and reached only 200 IP once before this year. As for this year, when it's all said and done, he's probably putting in 250 IP this year alone. History suggests he's liability to stay healthy, and the added toll on his arm from the extended workload this year is a red flag. That said, I do agree 5/$160M would be the max anyone should be giving him. I don't him know who's going to be desperate enough to go beyond that, and that contract would be disaster waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: I wouldn't touch Keuchel tbh. He's going to want a 3 or 4 year deal and he's been trending down for a couple years. After last offseason he clearly isn't going to hold out for 4 years if a good solid 2 year deal is on the table, and while he's not the same pitcher he was in his cy young year, he's been quite consistent over the last 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: After last offseason he clearly isn't going to hold out for 4 years if a good solid 2 year deal is on the table, and while he's not the same pitcher he was in his cy young year, he's been quite consistent over the last 3. I agree. And him performing that well with the insane HR environment pushing his HR rate to career highs, I’m more convinced he can sustain. But we will see what plays out. More suitors this year, but way more pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Dick Allen said: i am sure he will opt out and sign a record setting deal with the White Sox. It's pretty much guaranteed. That's excellent news.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: After last offseason he clearly isn't going to hold out for 4 years if a good solid 2 year deal is on the table, and while he's not the same pitcher he was in his cy young year, he's been quite consistent over the last 3. He was terrible this year outside of a lucky ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He was terrible this year outside of a lucky ERA. Considering the struggles we’ve seen from mid season acquisitions I think it was pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) If it costs 5/155 to get Strasburg you do it and don't think twice. If he really wants to stay in Washington or go to California you really can't do anything about that. Edited October 15, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If it costs 5/155 to get Strasburg you do it and don't think twice. If he really wants to stay in Washington or go to California you really can't do anything about that. Ah we are up to 5/155 already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'd take Cole because he pitches in the AL. You know what you are getting. They wont get either one. I just don't see them forking out for one guy that only plays every 5th day. Strasburg would somehow get that Sox injury curse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: Ah we are up to 5/155 already. That's about as high as it's going to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That's about as high as it's going to go. That’s as high as it will go but it’s also a deal you don’t “think twice” about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: That’s as high as it will go but it’s also a deal you don’t “think twice” about Yeah, because they really need that TOR arm to take pressure off of Giolito and Kopech. It also invigorates the fanbase and proves that they aren't half-assing the rebuild. After the Samson comments this offseason is really important. They absolutely have to land a bigger name this winter. The Sox have 3 holes on their roster and this fills one of them. They really only need to spend a lotbfor a TOR starter and a RF. They can be smart about DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Wouldn't get my hopes up on Strasburg. Guessing Nats will tak a few years on with a nice bump in AAV. Doubt they will let him walk, especially given WS money and likely loss of Rendon. Wheeler is the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Ryu is a Boras client. Boras spinning his bad injury history as a low mileage arm and wants long years at high dollar. Won't be a quick sign. Keuchel also a Boras guy still talks like he thinks he deserves a huge deal. Boras previously inferred he had multi year deals that Boras was okay with but his client said no. Again probably a later signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: Ryu is a Boras client. Boras spinning his bad injury history as a low mileage arm and wants long years at high dollar. Won't be a quick sign. Keuchel also a Boras guy still talks like he thinks he deserves a huge deal. Boras previously inferred he had multi year deals that Boras was okay with but his client said no. Again probably a later signing. Couldn't you say all those things about Strasburg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Couldn't you say all those things about Strasburg? As far as wanting a lot of money and max years, sure. I think his health concerns are much less than Ryu. I think Keuchel is way overvaluing himself. I think the years/value of Strasburg will dwarf the other two. Because they/agent is thinking high values, I was trying to point out they will not be quick signs in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Couldn't you say all those things about Strasburg? Scott Boras is going to run this offseason. The following free agents are all Boras clients: Cole Strasburg Ryu Martinez Ozuna And i'm pretty sure he has others free this year as well. Don't expect anything to happen until 1/15 at the earliest. Boras clients will set the market at almost every position, and especially SP. Edited October 16, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Flash said: Wouldn't get my hopes up on Strasburg. Guessing Nats will tak a few years on with a nice bump in AAV. Doubt they will let him walk, especially given WS money and likely loss of Rendon. Wheeler is the target. A fast signing of Wheeler would make this whole offseason go down much easier. Definitely would take the heat off some of the long drawn out signings that are a Boras trademark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 hours ago, poppysox said: A fast signing of Wheeler would make this whole offseason go down much easier. Definitely would take the heat off some of the long drawn out signings that are a Boras trademark. Hopefully the Yankees will target Cole. Remember they really wanted Wheeler at the deadline but the teams couldn't agree on a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 IMO, you go hard after Ryu, Wheeler, Bumm while everyone else works on Strasburg and Cole. Were not going to outbid others and I'd hate to lose out on the 2nd tier guys while we mess around with Strasburg and Cole. Then quickly focus on RF and DH. I'd like for us to strike early on SP, DH, and RF. Then move focus to BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Capital G said: IMO, you go hard after Ryu, Wheeler, Bumm while everyone else works on Strasburg and Cole. Were not going to outbid others and I'd hate to lose out on the 2nd tier guys while we mess around with Strasburg and Cole. Then quickly focus on RF and DH. I'd like for us to strike early on SP, DH, and RF. Then move focus to BP. 100% agree. Make aggressive bids for Wheeler & Bumgarner right out the gate. Have to come away with one of those guys for this be a successful offseason IMO. As much as I’d want Cole or Strasburg, I think the process will be too risky and too drawn out. The second priority should be landing one of Grandal or Martinez. Those guys are true impact bats and none of the other guys that qualify really fit. RF will definitely be addressed, but I don’t think there is a major free agent fit there and will require more creativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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