YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 160 million for Ozuna would be disgustingly bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Honestly I'd rather have Avi Garcia at significantly less $$ and years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: Honestly I'd rather have Avi Garcia at significantly less $$ and years. Ozuna a superior player, but I was for A) never losing Avi and now B) signing Avi...Brings power and a solid bat to this lineup, potential DH/backup RF? My ideal realistic offseason consisted off adding 2 of Hamels, Q, Miley, Avi, and Alex Gordon...along with bringing back Abreu SS Anderson 3B Moncada CF Robert 1B Abreu LF Eloy DH Avi RF Gordon C McCann/Collins 2B Madrigal With Yolmer, Leury and...Holt? off the bench Super fun to think about...And maybe, just maybe, we can have somewhat of a consistent lineup finally Gio-Hamels-Miley-Cease-Lopez with Kopech and Rodon coming back and Dunning at some point is super fun too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I am not reading anything into the $ number or the years, that is a bad projection by a largely anonymous writer. Contracts are getting smaller, not larger, especially for middling guys like Ozuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Ozuna a superior player, but I was for A) never losing Avi and now B) signing Avi...Brings power and a solid bat to this lineup, potential DH/backup RF? My ideal realistic offseason consisted off adding 2 of Hamels, Q, Miley, Avi, and Alex Gordon...along with bringing back Abreu SS Anderson 3B Moncada CF Robert 1B Abreu LF Eloy DH Avi RF Gordon C McCann/Collins 2B Madrigal With Yolmer, Leury and...Holt? off the bench Super fun to think about...And maybe, just maybe, we can have somewhat of a consistent lineup finally Gio-Hamels-Miley-Cease-Lopez with Kopech and Rodon coming back and Dunning at some point is super fun too I don't think that team you just described is "super fun to think about". I think it is an 80 win team at best. The Sox need to supplement this team with at least 2-3 well above average players. Hamels, Miley, Avi and Gordon do not that fit that bill. That offseason would get a giant D from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, daggins said: I am not reading anything into the $ number or the years, that is a bad projection by a largely anonymous writer. Contracts are getting smaller, not larger, especially for middling guys like Ozuna. Totally agree, and an offseason reminder that players can ask for whatever they want. Doesn’t mean they’ll find a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't think that team you just described is "super fun to think about". I think it is an 80 win team at best. The Sox need to supplement this team with at least 2-3 well above average players. Hamels, Miley, Avi and Gordon do not that fit that bill. That offseason would get a giant D from me. Just realistically don't see JR spending 9 digits on anyone (Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, Ozuna, JDM), we shall see however Short term starters that we can compete with now, affordably would be major Also, Alex Gordon is a short term affordable upgrade in RF and to the lineup that KW and Hahn previously targeted Avi provides this lineup with more pop, and better depth All of this while holding onto top prospects, not overpaying anyone, and not committing to anyone long term with blue chip prospects (Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn) ready to be infused soon While I would love Cole and Strasburg, I don't see it happening Rendon I don't see leaving WSH, nor do I view as a necessity with our long term IF set Ozuna we'll see on, don't want to lock him until he's 35 nor overpay him JDM I'm not even sure will be available Wheeler I don't want to overpay to be a very good # 4 or a solid #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSoxJon said: Ozuna a superior player, but I was for A) never losing Avi and now B) signing Avi...Brings power and a solid bat to this lineup, potential DH/backup RF? My ideal realistic offseason consisted off adding 2 of Hamels, Q, Miley, Avi, and Alex Gordon...along with bringing back Abreu SS Anderson 3B Moncada CF Robert 1B Abreu LF Eloy DH Avi RF Gordon C McCann/Collins 2B Madrigal With Yolmer, Leury and...Holt? off the bench Super fun to think about...And maybe, just maybe, we can have somewhat of a consistent lineup finally Gio-Hamels-Miley-Cease-Lopez with Kopech and Rodon coming back and Dunning at some point is super fun too Sounds like a terrible team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Just realistically don't see JR spending 9 digits on anyone (Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, Ozuna, JDM), we shall see however Short term starters that we can compete with now, affordably would be major Also, Alex Gordon is a short term affordable upgrade in RF and to the lineup that KW and Hahn previously targeted Avi provides this lineup with more pop, and better depth All of this while holding onto top prospects, not overpaying anyone, and not committing to anyone long term with blue chip prospects (Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn) ready to be infused soon While I would love Cole and Strasburg, I don't see it happening Rendon I don't see leaving WSH, nor do I view as a necessity with our long term IF set Ozuna we'll see on, don't want to lock him until he's 35 nor overpay him JDM I'm not even sure will be available Wheeler I don't want to overpay to be a very good # 4 or a solid #3 That roster you proposed is likely under 90 million dollars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Just realistically don't see JR spending 9 digits on anyone (Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, Ozuna, JDM), we shall see however Short term starters that we can compete with now, affordably would be major Also, Alex Gordon is a short term affordable upgrade in RF and to the lineup that KW and Hahn previously targeted Avi provides this lineup with more pop, and better depth All of this while holding onto top prospects, not overpaying anyone, and not committing to anyone long term with blue chip prospects (Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn) ready to be infused soon While I would love Cole and Strasburg, I don't see it happening Rendon I don't see leaving WSH, nor do I view as a necessity with our long term IF set Ozuna we'll see on, don't want to lock him until he's 35 nor overpay him JDM I'm not even sure will be available Wheeler I don't want to overpay to be a very good # 4 or a solid #3 I don't see Cole, Strasburg or Rendon happening either. But there is a solid group of FA after those three before you get the dumpster diving you're pushing for. Plus, Ozuna and JDM are not getting 9 figure deals. The Sox need to sign one of Grandal or JD Martinez. A big bat has to happen. They need to sign a SP just below the tier of Cole/Strasburg - whether that is Wheeler, or Bumgarner, or Ryu, they all work. After that, I am OK filling in the gaps with guys like Hamels, Miley, Alex Gordon/Kole Calhoun/Dickerson/Gardner, etc., but they need to add two of the ten or so FA, or this is never going to work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: Ozuna a superior player, but I was for A) never losing Avi and now B) signing Avi...Brings power and a solid bat to this lineup, potential DH/backup RF? My ideal realistic offseason consisted off adding 2 of Hamels, Q, Miley, Avi, and Alex Gordon...along with bringing back Abreu SS Anderson 3B Moncada CF Robert 1B Abreu LF Eloy DH Avi RF Gordon C McCann/Collins 2B Madrigal With Yolmer, Leury and...Holt? off the bench Super fun to think about...And maybe, just maybe, we can have somewhat of a consistent lineup finally Gio-Hamels-Miley-Cease-Lopez with Kopech and Rodon coming back and Dunning at some point is super fun too If that's our offseason...I'm disappointed and a bit upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox05 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I don’t want anything to do with Ozuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Bring back Jermaine Dye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 We can certainly do better than Ozuna in RF, but I wouldn't upset if we signed him to a 3-4 year deal and he was our 3rd or 4th best addition this off-season. He's an acceptable complimentary piece in an otherwise much larger off-season IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't see Cole, Strasburg or Rendon happening either. But there is a solid group of FA after those three before you get the dumpster diving you're pushing for. Plus, Ozuna and JDM are not getting 9 figure deals. The Sox need to sign one of Grandal or JD Martinez. A big bat has to happen. They need to sign a SP just below the tier of Cole/Strasburg - whether that is Wheeler, or Bumgarner, or Ryu, they all work. After that, I am OK filling in the gaps with guys like Hamels, Miley, Alex Gordon/Kole Calhoun/Dickerson/Gardner, etc., but they need to add two of the ten or so FA, or this is never going to work. I can get behind Grandal and would like JDM on short term 100%, not even sure JDM will be available however Wheeler will be overpaid and I hope it isn't by us Ryu is an injury waiting to happen, we need innings eaten not IL spots taken, and also don't want a 33 year old pitcher for too long MadBum's best days are behind him 2 hours ago, poppysox said: If that's our offseason...I'm disappointed and a bit upset. That's the White Sox way baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: Just realistically don't see JR spending 9 digits on anyone (Cole, Strasburg, Rendon, Ozuna, JDM), we shall see however Short term starters that we can compete with now, affordably would be major Also, Alex Gordon is a short term affordable upgrade in RF and to the lineup that KW and Hahn previously targeted Avi provides this lineup with more pop, and better depth All of this while holding onto top prospects, not overpaying anyone, and not committing to anyone long term with blue chip prospects (Kopech, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn) ready to be infused soon While I would love Cole and Strasburg, I don't see it happening Rendon I don't see leaving WSH, nor do I view as a necessity with our long term IF set Ozuna we'll see on, don't want to lock him until he's 35 nor overpay him JDM I'm not even sure will be available Wheeler I don't want to overpay to be a very good # 4 or a solid #3 Wheeler was 15th overall in fWAR amongst starters. In what world is that even close to a very good #4 starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't see Cole, Strasburg or Rendon happening either. But there is a solid group of FA after those three before you get the dumpster diving you're pushing for. Plus, Ozuna and JDM are not getting 9 figure deals. The Sox need to sign one of Grandal or JD Martinez. A big bat has to happen. They need to sign a SP just below the tier of Cole/Strasburg - whether that is Wheeler, or Bumgarner, or Ryu, they all work. After that, I am OK filling in the gaps with guys like Hamels, Miley, Alex Gordon/Kole Calhoun/Dickerson/Gardner, etc., but they need to add two of the ten or so FA, or this is never going to work. It’s really this simple. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Wheeler was 15th overall in fWAR amongst starters. In what world is that even close to a very good #4 starter? That 3.96 ERA doesn't deserve to be overpaid to me You look at the two WS teams right now, or most contending teams, and Zach Wheeler is their 3-4 Sox will get their eventually with Kopech-Gio-Cease, but the cheaper, shorter term options should tie us over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSoxJon said: That 3.96 ERA doesn't deserve to be overpaid to me You look at the two WS teams right now, or most contending teams, and Zach Wheeler is their 3-4 Sox will get their eventually with Kopech-Gio-Cease, but the cheaper, shorter term options should tie us over Then you’re punting 2020 and putting the rest of the rebuild at risk if even one of those guys fails to develop. And the two World Series teams account for six of the top 15 fWAR starters. Two other teams had two and four teams had one (including us). Wheeler is probably the best starter on a dozen teams and the second best starter on another dozen teams. Hopefully he’s not our ace, but we it would be great to add a guy with TOR potential to the three guys you listed so we have some options if someone were to get hurt or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Then you’re punting 2020 and putting the rest of the rebuild at risk if even one of those guys fails to develop. And the two World Series teams account for six of the top 15 fWAR starters. Two other teams had two and four teams had one (including us). Wheeler is probably the best starter on a dozen teams and the second best starter on another dozen teams. Hopefully he’s not our ace, but we it would be great to add a guy with TOR potential to the three guys you listed so we have some options if someone were to get hurt or bust. Wheeler is the best combination of age, potential/stuff and present performance. Which means he’s likely to be in the $100 million neighborhood or higher. He’s also likely to be one of the few pitchers who you could theoretically count on over the next 4-5 years, as opposed to shorter term guys like Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel and Hamels. Getting Wheeler and then someone on the Wacha/Wood (past performer with major ?’s) would be about the best we can expect. Everything else fails...we need to at least subtract pitchers without a QO from the Twins...there are four to choose from, although it’s possible/probable they offer one to Odorizzi to mitigate depth losses. Not in love with the idea of trading assets for Boyd or Syndegaard without knowing what 2020 will bring with our current starting pitcher depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 How much did his agent paid to leak this “rumor”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The interest isn’t legit until we sign Pablo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Wheeler is the best combination of age, potential/stuff and present performance. Which means he’s likely to be in the $100 million neighborhood or higher. He’s also likely to be one of the few pitchers who you could theoretically count on over the next 4-5 years, as opposed to shorter term guys like Bumgarner, Ryu, Keuchel and Hamels. Getting Wheeler and then someone on the Wacha/Wood (past performer with major ?’s) would be about the best we can expect. Everything else fails...we need to at least subtract pitchers without a QO from the Twins...there are four to choose from, although it’s possible/probable they offer one to Odorizzi to mitigate depth losses. Not in love with the idea of trading assets for Boyd or Syndegaard without knowing what 2020 will bring with our current starting pitcher depth chart. Fully agree on Wheeler, but don’t think we should be adding pitchers we don’t necessarily like simply to hurt the Twins. Let other teams do that for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Low OBP ballplayer, who plays into their weaknesses - not surprised the Sox are interested, but 7/$160 is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Fully agree on Wheeler, but don’t think we should be adding pitchers we don’t necessarily like simply to hurt the Twins. Let other teams do that for us. See 2003, Rogers to Twins and not Sox, or 2010, Thome to Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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