ptatc Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said: They really need to just pay him. If we get stuck with Keuchel I'll be fucking pissed. I would prefer Keuchel on a 3 year deal over Wheeler on a 5 year one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: I'm just going on record being against this signing. He'll probably get something like 5/125 and pitch maybe 2.5 of those years. That's a fair take, honestly. There is a decent chance Wheeler turns into a bust of a signing. But what would you do instead? Cole/Strasburg or bust? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: I would prefer Keuchel on a 3 year deal over Wheeler on a 5 year one. ewwy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: If someone offered me ten million plus if I could wait two more months to move I would. Impossible to know what these players are thinking. I think Odorizzi could've gotten a nice deal this offseason, but decided to take the QO because, as he said, he didn't want to be sitting on his couch in February waiting by the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: ewwy Over the past 3 years, since wheeler had his injury, keuchal has been the better if not equal pitcher if you like WAR as a stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Over the past 3 years, since wheeler had his injury, keuchal has been the better if not equal pitcher if you like WAR as a stat. This isn't accurate. Wheeler: 2018 fwar: 4.2; 2019 fWAR: 4.7 Keuchel: 2018 fWAR: 3.3; 2019 fWAR: 0.8 Wheeler only made 17 starts in 2017 after coming back from surgery. He wasn't good (0.2) fWAR. Keuchel was 2.3 fWAR in 2017. So even including 2017, Wheeler has amassed 9.1 fWAR since 2017; Keuchel 6.40 fWAR. So, yah...that's wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: Over the past 3 years, since wheeler had his injury, keuchal has been the better if not equal pitcher if you like WAR as a stat. Zack Wheeler put up 4.7 fWAR in 2019 and 4.2 fWAR in 2018. Dallas Keuchel hasn't done that since 2015. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, ptatc said: Over the past 3 years, since wheeler had his injury, keuchal has been the better if not equal pitcher if you like WAR as a stat. I mean... You're including 3 years ago which was Keuchels 2nd best year ever and Wheelers worst.... If you use the past year (or two), it's not ever close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 18 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Right. Offer him 5/$95M right now and get it done. We should also keep in mind that the most attractive offer to Wheeler might include an opt out after, lets say, his 2nd year of any contract in case he turns into an injury free Cy Young candidate , This is one of the reasons why I have been advocating it could be necessary to get another multi year pitcher so each one could be kept for a minimum of 2 years at which point we will have a clearer picture of how the young arms are doing. If we somehow end up with an embarassmnt of rihes either one of the 2 multi year guys could be traded before they reach free agency again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DirtySox Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Quote After signing catcher Yasmani Grandal on Wednesday, the White Sox are expected to pursue free agent pitcher Zack Wheeler, according to major league sources. https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-white-sox-to-pursue-free-agent-zack-wheeler-after-signing-yasmani-grandal/311953278 Edited November 21, 2019 by DirtySox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, aeichhor said: Do it Rick!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, wegner said: Do it Rick!!!! Do it now!!( where's the Schwarzenegger gif when you need it?) Edited November 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Watch them be after Castellanos and Wheeler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Hatchetman said: I'm just going on record being against this signing. He'll probably get something like 5/125 and pitch maybe 2.5 of those years. I think $25 per year is really high for him. I think $20 will be the max but some team may get desperate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Based on the Grandal deal, they seem to want to strike quick. What do you think a potential offer out to Wheeler looks like right now? I'm going to agree with everyone and guess 5 years/$100 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Do it now!!( where's the Schwarzenegger gif she when you need it?) I agree Jack!!! Let's have a big exciting news conference with the new battery mates!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: Based on the Grandal deal, they seem to want to strike quick. What do you think a potential offer out to Wheeler looks like right now? I'm going to agree with everyone and guess 5 years/$100 mill. It'll be under 100, Uncle Jerry doesn't like 3 digit numbers. If he does, then I'll gladly eat my hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Based on the Grandal deal, they seem to want to strike quick. What do you think a potential offer out to Wheeler looks like right now? I'm going to agree with everyone and guess 5 years/$100 mill. 4 or 5 years/92.5M. Edited November 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: It'll be under 100, Uncle Jerry doesn't like 3 digit numbers. If he does, then I'll gladly eat my hat. 5 years 112 million will be my guess. Edited November 21, 2019 by cjgalloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think they're going to get this done, and I think it's going to be pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: It'll be under 100, Uncle Jerry doesn't like 3 digit numbers. If he does, then I'll gladly eat my hat. I'm sure there are plenty of posters here willing to help with that hat...pass me the salt, I'm in!!! Edited November 21, 2019 by wegner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Wheeler makes too much sense. Right guy at the right price, and the style probably would fit Cooper’s kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Wheeler absolutely needs to be the #1 priority now. Get it done Rick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Wonder if front loading a contract for Wheeler makes sense and would appeal to him? Something like 4/85 with $50M guaranteed in the 1st 2 years. With our payroll situation I’d much rather overpay for Wheeler in the short term than be on the hook for 2 years at the end of the deal he may/probably won’t be worth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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