Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If he turns down a QO this year, and winds up settling for less, yes. It was a new thing a couple of years ago. O he gets a pass on Moose the first time although it was poor representation. Boras isn’t good for every player. There are quite a few that hav been stung by him. But if you are a stud he will get you your money. Agree with you in regards to your last point. The only agent who should have his license stripped is ozzie albies agent. The Braves should be embarrassed for working with him to take advantage of ozzie. Edited November 5, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: If he turns down a QO this year, and winds up settling for less, yes. It was a new thing a couple of years ago. O he gets a pass on Moose the first time although it was poor representation. Boras isn’t good for every player. There are quite a few that hav been stung by him. But if you are a stud he will get you your money. I wonder why Dallas Keuchel retained his services for this next go around in free agency? Boras certainly did not do him any favors last year. Like you indicated, Boras will make sure the cream of the crop (Cole, Stras, Rendon) get paid. Another agent might be a better option for the lesser free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, wegner said: I wonder why Dallas Keuchel retained his services for this next go around in free agency? Boras certainly did not do him any favors last year. Like you indicated, Boras will make sure the cream of the crop (Cole, Stras, Rendon) get paid. Another agent might be a better option for the lesser free agents. I'd be nervous to give Keuchel anything beyond two years and $30 million or so with a club option for a third year. Questionable peripherals and declining velocity concern me as anything more than a backend starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I'd be nervous to give Keuchel anything beyond two years and $30 million or so with a club option for a third year. Questionable peripherals and declining velocity concern me as anything more than a backend starter. I totally agree with all you said but I would not be upset with him as one of the starting pitchers signed by the Sox this off season. If he is the only one signed....not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Generally, the White Sox should be maximizing their window through 1-4 year players...supplementing with FA. Signing Abreu to a multiyear deal with Vaughn waiting in the wings...there better be an agreement for him to move to DH full-time in 2021. Being wrong on their evaluation of Vaughn OR having a DH hitting the skids due to a predictable aging decline in 2021 would be...well, let’s just wait and see what Hahn says if they do go 2-3 years. I would think they would prioritize winning in 2021 over satisfying their desire to “honor/appreciate” Jose Abreu’s contributions. If not, they’re not in the business of winning championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I think they're betting that Abreu declines the QO. It would be incredibly stupid for him to do so, but whatever either way. Jose will not decline the QO. He will probably take the security and negotiate for 2 years at 14 per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, poppysox said: Jose will not decline the QO. He will probably take the security and negotiate for 2 years at 14 per year. By definition signing a contact that is not the qualifying offer is rejecting the QO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: By definition signing a contact that is not the qualifying offer is rejecting the QO. He will accept the QO and continue to negotiate. I expect a 2 year contract for 14 per as I suggest. Just because you accept the QO doesn't mean you are through talking...as I'm sure you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: He will accept the QO and continue to negotiate. I expect a 2 year contract for 14 per as I suggest. Just because you accept the QO doesn't mean you are through talking...as I'm sure you know. If he accepts the Qualifying offer he receives a 1 year, $18 million deal. There is no reason for either side to continue negotiating, that's a contract offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If he accepts the Qualifying offer he receives a 1 year, $18 million deal. There is no reason for either side to continue negotiating, that's a contract offer. Don't be obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, poppysox said: Don't be obtuse. Is it deliberate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Don't be obtuse. "Now you're just being acute." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: "Now you're just being acute." Thanks for noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, poppysox said: Thanks for noticing. Why did I read that as A cute E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 8 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: Why did I read that as A cute E Hopefully not an “A cute EE”...either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 9 hours ago, poppysox said: Thanks for noticing. 9 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: Why did I read that as A cute E Lol sorry. It's a cute from something. Posting a pic would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Balta1701 said: If he accepts the Qualifying offer he receives a 1 year, $18 million deal. There is no reason for either side to continue negotiating, that's a contract offer. While it is not going to happen (but theoretically possible), I think he's basically saying Abreu takes the QO, then the Sox and Abreu rip up the one year deal later in the offseason and he signs a 2 year $30M extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: While it is not going to happen (but theoretically possible), I think he's basically saying Abreu takes the QO, then the Sox and Abreu rip up the one year deal later in the offseason and he signs a 2 year $30M extension. That’s dumb to MAYBE save $6ish million (over two years) when the odds are pretty darned high you wouldn’t want to be paying a 34 year old DH another $15 million in 2021. It seems we’re more concerned with keeping guys like Konerko and Abreu happy than anything else. It’s bizarre. What non-competitive teams are doing something similar? The M’s with Ichiro give him that kind of treatment at this stage of his career, even. Or the Sox with Buerhle. Edited November 6, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: While it is not going to happen (but theoretically possible), I think he's basically saying Abreu takes the QO, then the Sox and Abreu rip up the one year deal later in the offseason and he signs a 2 year $30M extension. Like you said, it's "not going to happen." Thank you for your agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Broccoli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: While it is not going to happen (but theoretically possible), I think he's basically saying Abreu takes the QO, then the Sox and Abreu rip up the one year deal later in the offseason and he signs a 2 year $30M extension. I do not think the Sox want to go multi year with Abreu, nor should they. I truly feel they want to go in a different direction, likely Vaughn, unless Abreu rakes in 2020. Why tie up $15 million you very well may want to allocate elsewhere in 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 hours ago, wegner said: I wonder why Dallas Keuchel retained his services for this next go around in free agency? Boras certainly did not do him any favors last year. Like you indicated, Boras will make sure the cream of the crop (Cole, Stras, Rendon) get paid. Another agent might be a better option for the lesser free agents. I recall reading somewhere Boras had a multiyear offer he thought Keuchel should take. Keuchel refused it as it wasn't enough money and it seems he burned himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: I recall reading somewhere Boras had a multiyear offer he thought Keuchel should take. Keuchel refused it as it wasn't enough money and it seems he burned himself. Guy gets 1 Cy Young award and it goes to his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: when the odds are pretty darned high you wouldn’t want to be paying a 34 year old DH another $15 million in 2021. It seems we’re more concerned with keeping guys like Konerko and Abreu happy than anything else. It’s bizarre. All the money the Sox have given to stiffs the past few years like Jay and Alonso and you are worried about a few bucks here and there? As low as the Sox payroll has been for Jerry, why not give a fan favorite like Jose some well deserved cash? The guy led the AL in RBIs and hit 33 bombs and we act like he's going to need a wheelchair to get to the plate in 2 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 14 hours ago, greg775 said: All the money the Sox have given to stiffs the past few years like Jay and Alonso and you are worried about a few bucks here and there? As low as the Sox payroll has been for Jerry, why not give a fan favorite like Jose some well deserved cash? The guy led the AL in RBIs and hit 33 bombs and we act like he's going to need a wheelchair to get to the plate in 2 seasons. Because he doesn't deserve it you Oof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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