BackDoorBreach Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eloy Jiménez said: Yelich butchered Darvish on twitter. Yeah it makes Yelich look like a fucking bag though. Brewers put up a whopping 0.90 ERA against him this year. Also Yu wasn't even accusing him. A little defensive there from the best player on a team that has at least been accused, credibly or not, of sign stealing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Yeah it makes Yelich look like a fucking bag though. Brewers put up a whopping 0.90 ERA against him this year. Also Yu wasn't even accusing him. A little defensive there from the best player on a team that has at least been accused, credibly or not, of sign stealing. Yu absolutely was accusing him, as he pointed out earlier in the day a team doing this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, fathom said: Yu absolutely was accusing him, as he pointed out earlier in the day a team doing this He literally says "I'm not sure what he's trying to do". Yelich needs to not be Charmin Ultra. It doesn't make sense to dunk on Yu either when your team couldn't hit him the entire year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I love Donaldson's response. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylo Kneehigh Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Yelich was good before Milwaukee, goes to Milwaukee and becomes MPV caliber....... just sayin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Waylo Kneehigh said: Yelich was good before Milwaukee, goes to Milwaukee and becomes MPV caliber....... just sayin And then? Tim Anderson went from what, a .249 hitter to .332 in one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylo Kneehigh Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, hi8is said: And then? Tim Anderson went from what, a .249 hitter to .332 in one year? known commodity vs. developing talent simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Waylo Kneehigh said: Yelich was good before Milwaukee, goes to Milwaukee and becomes MPV caliber....... just sayin Yes, it's hard to fathom a baseball player, coming off of 5.4 & 4.6 fWAR seasons at 24 & 25, suddenly go from above average baseball player and take the next step in their development and turn into an All Star/MVP level player in their prime. Honestly, I'm not sure if you're backing Yelich with this being more of a "Move along, nothing to see here" comment or trying call him out because you think something is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Waylo Kneehigh said: known commodity vs. developing talent simple It’s just an illustration to show you can’t always correlate improvement to cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: Yes, it's hard to fathom a baseball player, coming off of 5.4 & 4.6 fWAR seasons at 24 & 25, suddenly go from above average baseball player and take the next step in their development and turn into an All Star/MVP level player in their prime. Honestly, I'm not sure if you're backing Yelich with this being more of a "Move along, nothing to see here" comment or trying call him out because you think something is up. I think Yelich benefitted from the juiced ball...but just in terms of his gaudy Hr totals. Still am Mvp level jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 damn, if true this blows the whole thing open https://theathletic.com/1374774/2019/11/16/astros-executive-asked-scouts-for-help-stealing-signs-and-suggested-using-cameras-email-shows/?amp Astros executive asked scouts for help stealing signs and suggested using cameras, email shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) mlbtr article https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/report-houston-executive-suggested-scouts-use-cameras-to-steal-signs.html Quote Report: Houston Executive Suggested Scouts Use Cameras To Steal Signs November 16th, 2019 at 10:50pm CST • By Dylan A. Chase Another entry has been logged in the ongoing saga surrounding allegations of improper sign stealing by the 2017 Astros. Earlier this week, we first heard accusations that the team used illegal technology–including a center field camera and a clubhouse tunnel television–to try to decode opponent signs. Several former Houston employees, including pitcher Mike Fiers, issued on-record comments regarding the team’s system of sign stealing, and league officials were said to be in the process of gathering “tangible evidence” in regard to the team’s alleged improprieties. Tonight’s follow-up report from Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic now indicates that the team’s use of camera technology may not have been limited to center field (link). An Astros executive, per the report, emailed several club scouts in Aug 2017 with the suggestion that cameras be used to steal opponent signs. The club was interested in preparing its sign-stealing practices in advance of the 2017 postseason, and the email’s sender–who goes unnamed in the report–urged scouts to try multiple methods to get a better view into the opposition’s dugout. “What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc.,” the sender wrote in an email message to Houston scouts. “So go to game, see what you can (or can’t) do and report back your findings.” This type of organizational messaging, which is said to have also extended to phone calls and chats within a group Slack channel, reportedly led to a “confounded feeling” among the club’s scouting group, with several scouts voicing their dismay to team management. It’s important to note that, under MLB rules, the stealing of signs is understood to fall under the broad auspices of gamesmanship. It is mostly the alleged introduction of technology that could potentially lead to penalties against the club, as was the case when the Red Sox were caught using Apple Watch technology to steal signs in 2017. Edited November 17, 2019 by joesaiditstrue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 People have pointed out that the Astros hit better on the road in 2017. But the sign stealing might not have started until August or September to get ready for the playoffs. What did their offensive home/road splits look like in August, September, and in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, joesaiditstrue said: mlbtr article https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/report-houston-executive-suggested-scouts-use-cameras-to-steal-signs.html So it was Kevin Goldstein who sent the emial. All the assbags are coming out to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox05 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: People have pointed out that the Astros hit better on the road in 2017. But the sign stealing might not have started until August or September to get ready for the playoffs. What did their offensive home/road splits look like in August, September, and in the playoffs? Go check out the home/road splits in the 2017 playoffs for the Astros. They are laugh out loud funny with all this noise about stealing signs. Most OPS were .400-.500 points better at home and in some cases more. Especially Altuve, Bregman, Correa, McCann, Gattis, Yuli. it’s bad for the Astros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 The recent article is on the related signs from the dugout, less catchers right? Makes sense they’d focus on that pre playoffs. Really hard to believe that the coppy could get banned for fudging player costs, but this will just be a fine. If they get anything on lihnow knowing or directing, I think he’s out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, bmags said: The recent article is on the related signs from the dugout, less catchers right? Makes sense they’d focus on that pre playoffs. Really hard to believe that the coppy could get banned for fudging player costs, but this will just be a fine. If they get anything on lihnow knowing or directing, I think he’s out. Wouldn't that be something to have back to back seasons in which a MLB GM is banned for life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: People have pointed out that the Astros hit better on the road in 2017. But the sign stealing might not have started until August or September to get ready for the playoffs. What did their offensive home/road splits look like in August, September, and in the playoffs? It started in 2016, and opening day 2017 onward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Wouldn't that be something to have back to back seasons in which a MLB GM is banned for life damn, who was banned for life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: damn, who was banned for life? Braves' GM, and also Chris Correa of the Cardinals prior to that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 There's another picture on Plebbit of the tunnel and a guy packing up the "monitor". It looked like a 50 inch TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Found it. It was from a video from the 2017 WS I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Wow. They are not doing a good job of hiding it, are they? If you don't really think that your behavior is wrong, I guess you don't see how other people would. I hope they ban half the front office. Something like this can't go on without EVERYONE in the organization knowing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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