Moan4Yoan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 8:52 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, the market is quickly running out of pitchers. Kind of bizarre that we’re waiting to see who will be the last man standing and simply signing them rather than be proactive and going after a guy we think may be undervalued. Expand This is the most frustrating thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. Edited December 13, 2019 by Hatchetman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 8:58 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Oh I know, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the supply side is quickly shrinking and if there is a guy we really like on a one year deal (like say Wood) that maybe we should be a bit more aggressive. My concern (which is a bit Parkman-ish admittedly) is we view all these pitchers as interchangeable and are simply waiting for the best bargain possible. That seems unlikely, but at the same time we haven’t signed anyone yet which is still very much surprising to me. Expand What worries me even more is the Sox are trying to sign someone and keep coming up short. I don’t think that’s the case, but it’s hard to know for sure. They do seem to be attached to quite a few players this offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) On 12/13/2019 at 9:00 PM, Hatchetman said: The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. Expand Here's a list of starting pitchers still available; the ones who have been bolded are better than Dylan Covey: Name Hyun-Jin Ryu MadisonBumgarner Homer Bailey Ivan Nova Wade Miley Andrew Cashner Jason Vargas Julio Teheran Gio Gonzalez Rich Hill Dallas Keuchel Aaron Sanchez Collin McHugh Robbie Erlin Matt Moore Josh Tomlin Clay Buchholz Chad Bettis Cody Anderson Tommy Milone Jeremy Hellickson Taijuan Walker Tyson Ross Jhoulys ChacÃn Felix Hernandez Jimmy Nelson Edinson Volquez Marco Estrada Clayton Richard Alex Wood Danny Salazar Kohl Stewart Shelby Miller Steven Wright Rico Garcia Drew Smyly Matt Harvey Wade LeBlanc Jerad Eickhoff Wei-Yin Chen Ervin Santana Ross Detwiler Trevor Cahill Derek Holland Edwin Jackson James Shields Edited December 13, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 If “better than Covey” is what Hahn is shooting for, we may as well fast forward to 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 8:59 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Unless the target was Brett Anderson, the market didn't run out of anything after his signing. Expand What? I said the market is quickly running out of starters, not that Anderson has caused it to run out right now. No idea what you are arguing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:05 PM, Chicago White Sox said: What? I said the market is quickly running out of starters, not that Anderson has caused it to run out right now. No idea what you are arguing Expand And so what if the market is running out of bad starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:04 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Here's a list of starting pitchers still available; the ones who have been bolded are better than Dylan Covey: Expand I think some of those guys are deceased. Though still may be better than Covey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:05 PM, Moan4Yoan said: If “better than Covey” is what Hahn is shooting for, we may as well fast forward to 2021. Expand I think you would catch that was a joke and a slight exaggeration; Covey might have the edge over Rico Garcia lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:02 PM, CWSpalehoseCWS said: What worries me even more is the Sox are trying to sign someone and keep coming up short. I don’t think that’s the case, but it’s hard to know for sure. They do seem to be attached to quite a few players this offseason. Expand And mostly affordable guys where it should only take an extra million or two to land them. You’d think we’d have our pick of the litter given our financial flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:07 PM, HOFHurt35 said: And so what if the market is running out of bad starters? Expand Then we’ll go with Dylan Covey and god knows who then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Walker, McHugh, Salazar, Wood and Miley are guys I would take ahead of those who have signed from that tier for sure. There are others that would be a toss up that I'd probably take over the current signees as well. Although Salazar is never going back into a rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:13 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Then we’ll go with Dylan Covey and god knows who then... Expand I'm truly not losing any sleep over who the Sox fifth starter is going to be. We need to find a #2, that's what's important right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:18 PM, HOFHurt35 said: I'm truly not losing any sleep over who the Sox fifth starter is going to be. We need to find a #2, that's what's important right now. Expand Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:19 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year? Expand About -1.7 WAR for the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:19 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Do you realize how bad our #5 starters were last year? Expand Do you realize how bad our 2-5 starters were last year? You're putting the cart before the horse. Get a #2. Hope Kopech and Cease are the real deal. That should be our focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 TIL that James Shields has not formally retired. Someone might want to let him know that it's over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:21 PM, HOFHurt35 said: Do you realize how bad our 2-5 starters were last year? You're putting the cart before the horse. Get a #2. Hope Kopech and Cease are the real deal. That should be our focus. Expand We need both. There is zero reason that Hahn can’t pursue both at the same time. Also, who fits this #2 starter type that you think we’ll pursue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:24 PM, Chicago White Sox said: We need both. There is zero reason that Hahn can’t pursue both at the same time. Also, who fits this #2 starter type that you think we’ll pursue? Expand That's Rich Hahn's job, either pay the price for Bumgarner or Ryu or trade for someone. I truly don't care what he does with the #5, and as far as I know Reynaldo Lopez isn't dead yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:21 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: About -1.7 WAR for the season. Expand should be closer to -3 WAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:26 PM, HOFHurt35 said: That's Rich Hahn's job, either pay the price for Bumgarner or Ryu or trade for someone. I truly don't care what he does with the #5, and as far as I know Reynaldo Lopez isn't dead yet. Expand Gio, Reylo, Cease are literally the only starters they have that they can rely on for opening day. Cease and Reylo are still big question marks; obviously both could improve and be very good but they shouldn't be relying on that. Hahn has no interest in overpaying the three guys left, so if their prices don't come down I'm pretty sure the Sox are out and that's actually fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:29 PM, Hatchetman said: should be closer to -3 WAR Expand Based on what? It's no where near -3. Detwiler - 70 IP; -.6 Manny - 50 IP; -.4 Ervin - 13 IP; -.4 (This is IMPRESSIVE in 13 innings) Despaigne 13 IP; -.1 Fulmer/Hecton 22 IP; -.15 That's -1.65 5th starter spot is only getting about 165 innings in a year. That's 168 above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Oh, I forgot Covey was actually our #4 starter. nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:00 PM, Hatchetman said: The market is rapidly running out of FA starters that are better than Dylan Covey. Expand I am a free agent starter who is better than Covey and I quit playing in 1985. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 9:30 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Gio, Reylo, Cease are literally the only starters they have that they can rely on for opening day. Cease and Reylo are still big question marks; obviously both could improve and be very good but they shouldn't be relying on that. Hahn has no interest in overpaying the three guys left, so if their prices don't come down I'm pretty sure the Sox are out and that's actually fine with me. Expand I think that's were fans are being wrong and unrealistic. The Sox are heavily relying on those guys. Cease has to be good in order for this rebuild to work. Lopez needs to be given a chance to stick in this rotation on the back end. I think we as fans are being a bit impatient and want to win in 2020 at any cost, even if it's pushing young developing pieces to the side. That wasn't the purpose of this rebuild. For a Brett Anderson to come in here and take a rotation spot from as Cease or Lopez all because of being desparate to see if we can squeeze into a WC spot. It makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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