ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: The thing that sucks about wheeler compared to machado is his money will get redistributed elsewhere, and those options are not as inspiring. Next years class is middling, maybe there is Ray, but ideally they could have made a run at the OF with a much more favorable class. But the top level pitchers next year are the exact same level you’d just expect Sox to bow out of (syndegaard, etc) Well hopefully out of Gio, Kopech and Cease and we can find 2 legit aces. Then filling in the middle of the rotation pieces is OK. But I understand and share your frustration, man. Shitty day for the die hards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 .... an EXCELLENT miss -- thank the baseball Gods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I hear ya. I am frustrated as well. Wheeler was the best (realistic) fit. But he sounded a fuck load better at 4/$80M as we all hoped in early October, or even 5/$100M than 5/$130M or whatever it would have required to pry him to the midwest. Wheeler isn't necessarily an organizational changing player. He's a good not great pitcher getting paid like he's ELITE, with limited track record to back it up. I would have been happy to get him a 5/$120M, but also am OK acknowledging that anything over that would have been crazy. Life goes on. This hurts for 2020 for sure, but I think that there is better than a coin flip's chance that deal turns into a nightmare. And to be clear, I said that multiple times before today. 5/$120 is not being paid like an elite pitcher. An elite pitcher will probably make 2x that this offseason. Youve got to recalibrate your contract expectations. Elite pitchers were getting $120 million 15 years ago, comparable contracts today would push $300 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 5/$120 is not being paid like an elite pitcher. An elite pitcher will probably make 2x that this offseason. Zach Wheeler is no elite pitcher, you watch ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, bmags said: Well, they kinda need things to work out. Because they aren't good at drafting, or developing, or scouting. It's not my fault the white sox rebuild requires so much additional help from FA, but since it does I expect them to execute. Doubt we are preferred destination in most cases. Just the way it is until it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: by definition they didn't have the best offer because he didn't sign with them. It's like 99% of the way pregnant. "meeting the offer" is meaningless imo. Wait, they didnt have the best offer? Last year everyone said endlessly that the best offer was the most guaranteed money. Now this year, they do that and people still say they didnt make the best offer. Some mental gymnastics taking place here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 5/$120 is not being paid like an elite pitcher. An elite pitcher will probably make 2x that this offseason. Youve got to recalibrate your contract expectations. Elite pitchers were getting $120 million 15 years ago, comparable contracts today would push $300 million. That's 17 million less than Jacob DeGrom was given 9 months ago, with all kinds of crazy deferments. Yes, I know it bought out a year of arb. Wheeler might not be getting ELITE dollars, but he's getting more than he's proven to be worth. Edited December 4, 2019 by mqr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, shago said: Zach Wheeler is no elite pitcher, you watch ....... Maybe not be he was who the White Sox determined to be the best fit and the best signing to lead to sustained success. So whoever they now get was not their first choice. They don’t appear to be even attempting the top 2. Maybe that changes, but Cole/Boras, I will believe JR dances with Boras when he actually does. Hopefully their 2nd or 3rd or 4th or whatever choice they actually sign turns out to be the best choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 If what Nightengale is reporting is true and Wheeler turned down 5/$125 from the Sox, couldn't he have just used the $7 million to buy her a jet to go to NJ whenever she wanted? I honestly cant think of a single time in any sport where an athlete left $7 million dollars on the table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 Actually not all that upset by this... Wheeler didn’t want to be here due to family, can respect that. Now just go get a lefty instead. I have a queezy feeling that it’s Keuchel... meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MeanJoeCrede said: If what Nightengale is reporting is true and Wheeler turned down 5/$125 from the Sox, couldn't he have just used the $7 million to buy her a jet to go to NJ whenever she wanted? I honestly cant think of a single time in any sport where an athlete left $7 million dollars on the table. I think Paulie left $5-$7M on the table from Baltimore to resign with us instead of Baltimore. Could be wrong Edited December 4, 2019 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: I think Paulie left $5-$7M on the table from Baltimore to resign with us instead of Baltimore. Could be wrong Which was even more significant because his total contract was about half of Wheelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Don't know how true this is, but twitter is saying after taxes our offer was between 1 and 2 million more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: Actually not all that upset by this... Wheeler didn’t want to be here due to family, can respect that. Now just go get a lefty instead. I have a queezy feeling that it’s Keuchel... meh Good for him but I'd be single if my fiancee asked me to turn down 7 million dollars to be closer to HER family. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Not sure if she's implying something about the Sox, or if this is just worded poorly and reads that way. Fucking Drake LaRoche strikes again! Edited December 5, 2019 by CWSpalehoseCWS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Not sure if she's implying something about the Sox, or if this is just worded poorly and reads that way. Fucking Drake LaRoche strikes again! Hasn't she "implied" shit on Twitter about the Sox before? I mean this is pretty obvious what she is saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Not sure if she's implying something about the Sox, or if this is just worded poorly and reads that way. Fucking Drake LaRoche strikes again! Wow, she really needs to keep her opinions off the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Hasn't she "implied" shit on Twitter about the Sox before? I mean this is pretty obvious what she is saying. I like Giolito and his dad a lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Not sure if she's implying something about the Sox, or if this is just worded poorly and reads that way. Fucking Drake LaRoche strikes again! Wow, that does sound like she's taking a shot at the Sox. I guess we know Rodon won't be re-signing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Sarava said: Wow, that does sound like she's taking a shot at the Sox. I guess we know Rodon won't be re-signing here. Don’t worry, they don’t want him either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 She followed it up saying nice things about the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: Hasn't she "implied" shit on Twitter about the Sox before? I mean this is pretty obvious what she is saying. Yeah about Carlos not going to the bullpen or something iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Ashley Rodon might come across as more credible if she took the time to actually spell role properly for it's usage. Therefore, I'm calling BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo8 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 do you think carlos will even get a multi from any team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Yeah about Carlos not going to the bullpen or something iirc. She sounds petty. She should keep her opinions to herself and stop trying to protect her husband, who still needs to prove he can pitch at a sustained competitive level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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