SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cashman said: I agree as well, just wonder what Wheeler thinks he is actually worth. Probably 115 million. He may be holding out to see if he can get the Sox to increase their offer to 115 by drumming up all this interest. The Sox may not be budging as the Twins and maybe others haven't submitted offers over 100m, and probably don't plan to. I think Minnesota will pivot to Bum on a more reasonable deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Hopefully Wheeler circles back to the Sox should a team outbid us. I think he probably would. No way that he doesn't. Machado circled back to us and we didnt want to go there. That is why Moncada was moved to third two days before the Padres announced the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Edited December 3, 2019 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Feels like the Sox are being used in that tweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: No way that he doesn't. Machado circled back to us and we didnt want to go there. That is why Moncada was moved to third two days before the Padres announced the deal. He didn't circle back, the Sox FO learned the news with the rest of us. When Moncada was moved to 3B, that Padres deal hadn't even been offered yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 So the Sox have one top target for addressing the pitching? Its Wheels or nothing, feels oh so familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, DirtySox said: If the White Sox miss out on Outside of the Twins and Texas we make the most sense if I gambled. And the Twins still haven't made a formal offer. Also if Texas is trying to land Donaldson/Rendon I could see them looking at a cheaper option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: He didn't circle back, the Sox FO learned the news with the rest of us. When Moncada was moved to 3B, that Padres deal hadn't even been offered yet Yeah okay. They knew the offer was 300 million, but they didn't think that offer was better than their offer. That's why they said they werent comfortable going that high in the deal, as they needed to pay our core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 @raBBit and @Tony... How are you guys feeling about Wheeler compared to last week? Do you feel less confident the longer it drags on, or do you still feel like we're gonna get him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoxBlanco said: @raBBit and @Tony... How are you guys feeling about Wheeler compared to last week? Do you feel less confident the longer it drags on, or do you still feel like we're gonna get him? I think we should still be confident. It is clear Wheeler is waiting to see if the Twins, Reds, and Rangers will make an offer over the 100 million offered by the Sox. So nothing has probably changed on their end. Edited December 3, 2019 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I think we should still be confident. It is clear Wheeler is waiting to see if the Twins, Reds, and Rangers will make an offer over the 100 million offered by the Sox. So nothing has probably changed on their end. How do we know the Sox offer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: How do we know the Sox offer Far too many people linked the Sox to being front runners and making a big offer. Nothing is official of course but we can read between the lines. It came out today that Wheeler is our top priority, and he also has a 100m offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, fathom said: How do we know the Sox offer We don't, but I'm fairly confident it's one of the 9 digit ones from a combination of reports that Wheeler is going to be a 100m dollar man and the Sox name still being tied to him and not starting to see smoke around Ryu or Bum. Edited December 3, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I imagine the Sox may be getting a bit frustrated as, what appears to be, their offer is being used as leverage to drive bidding up in the media for about two weeks now. This is one risk you take by giving your offer up front. That said, I think it's good news for the Sox... again, because Wheeler has made his desired deadline known and it doesn't appear that anyone has leapfrogged the offer yet, and their offer may have actually chased away some formal offers from other clubs as he exceeded their budget. Edited December 3, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I imagine the Sox may be getting a bit frustrated as, what appears to be, their offer is being used as leverage to drive bidding up in the media for about two weeks now. This is one risk you take by giving your offer up front. That said, I think it's good news for the Sox... again, because Wheeler has made his desired deadline known and it doesn't appear that anyone has leapfrogged the offer yet, and their offer may have actually chased away some formal offers from other clubs as he exceeded their budget. The Sox had to have known their offer was gonna be shopped. They are in good shape and need to remain confident in this FA. I am concerned about RF because I don't think they like any of the options. So we probably will make a small trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Probably 115 million. He may be holding out to see if he can get the Sox to increase their offer to 115 by drumming up all this interest. The Sox may not be budging as the Twins and maybe others haven't submitted offers over 100m, and probably don't plan to. I think Minnesota will pivot to Bum on a more reasonable deal. Twins are already talking to Boras about Ryu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I haven't seen the Angels mentioned a lot with Wheeler but you have to figure they are in play as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: I haven't seen the Angels mentioned a lot with Wheeler but you have to figure they are in play as well. Aren't they supposed to be a big player for Cole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Twins are already talking to Boras about Ryu. I didn't hear that. Thanks for the info. As expected, they are pivoting. This may mean we are close to a Wheeler signing. I do not want Ryu playing for the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, DirtySox said: Aren't they supposed to be a big player for Cole? Yeah. But there are a number of teams meeting with the top 2. If they would give Cole 280 million they surely would give Wheeler 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: I didn't hear that. Thanks for the info. As expected, they are pivoting. This may mean we are close to a Wheeler signing. I do not want Ryu playing for the Twins. It does seem weird that the Twins were tied to Ryu just recently - in the past day +. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, BackDoorBreach said: Yeah. But there are a number of teams meeting with the top 2. If they would give Cole 280 million they surely would give Wheeler 100. Yeah, but can they give Wheeler 100 million if he wants to sign before the Winter Meetings and still have the possibility of signing Cole? I don't think so. I think the timing makes it difficult for them to be in on both. Cole won't sign early, so if that's your main target you just have to wait it out and hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I didn't hear that. Thanks for the info. As expected, they are pivoting. This may mean we are close to a Wheeler signing. I do not want Ryu playing for the Twins. Ryu can never stay healthy over a full season anyway. As long as the Sox get Wheeler, I don't care if Ryu goes to the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Yeah. But there are a number of teams meeting with the top 2. If they would give Cole 280 million they surely would give Wheeler 100. Not necessarily. Maybe they don't think Wheeler is worth 100m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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