whitesoxjr27 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 It doesn’t take much to get White Sox and Cubs fans to start arguing about their teams. For the last few years, it’s been a one-sided argument. The Cubs won a World Series and made four straight playoff appearances before collapsing late in 2019. The White Sox opted for a rebuild and haven’t made the postseason since 2008. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/ken-rosenthal-jon-heyman-say-white-sox-have-better-roster-cubs-next-five-years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 ChiSoxJon says Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, whitesoxjr27 said: It doesn’t take much to get White Sox and Cubs fans to start arguing about their teams. For the last few years, it’s been a one-sided argument. The Cubs won a World Series and made four straight playoff appearances before collapsing late in 2019. The White Sox opted for a rebuild and haven’t made the postseason since 2008. https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/ken-rosenthal-jon-heyman-say-white-sox-have-better-roster-cubs-next-five-years I agree with Ken & Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Not a bad run for the Cubs though. Games aren't played on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Theo messed up the Cubs by being politically correct with his manager and players. Trying to please everyone else. Cubs wont make playoffs without Maddon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Chisox378 said: Theo messed up the Cubs by being politically correct with his manager and players. Trying to please everyone else. Cubs wont make playoffs without Maddon. Please explain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) Three big decisions cost Theo. 1. Trading Eloy and Cease for Quintana. 2. Not trading Schwarber when his value was peak - instead convincing himself he could be a nice NL player. 3. Trading Torres for Chapman. If he didn't trade Eloy, moving Schwarber becomes easier. He could have gotten an arm for Schwarber. Not evaluating and moving on from Russell was also a mistake but a more difficult decision to make. Amazing to think that the one prospect theo didnt love and almost made expendable turned out to be his 2nd best player - Baez. Imagine Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Torres and Eloy. Jaysus. Edited December 2, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 The next one’s likely to be not auctioning off Contreras at peak value...and Happ/Almora falling backwards (in addition to Russell) when they really needed someone to step up for Zobrist. None of their youngsters took the next step behind the Core 4 as they call them. The bad FA $deals are always the headliners for Theo, but Lester was eventually going to get older and they haven’t been able to replenish the pitching pipeline internally. In the end, having too many aging/injured AND expensive players catches up with you every time. Just ask Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Three big decisions cost Theo. 1. Trading Eloy and Cease for Quintana. 2. Not trading Schwarber when his value was peak - instead convincing himself he could be a nice NL player. 3. Trading Torres for Chapman. If he didn't trade Eloy, moving Schwarber becomes easier. He could have gotten an arm for Schwarber. Not evaluating and moving on from Russell was also a mistake but a more difficult decision to make. Amazing to think that the one prospect theo didnt love and almost made expendable turned out to be his 2nd best player - Baez. Imagine Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Torres and Eloy. Jaysus. Those are some serious miscues for a boy genius. Should make RH feel a little better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, poppysox said: Those are some serious miscues for a boy genius. Should make RH feel a little better. Sometimes the best moves are not making moves. I know you like Joc but I'm always against trading for a 1 yr . players . I hated the Samardzija trade and I hated all the talk about extending/resigning him despite every single sign and quote from him pointed to him becoming a free agent. Terrible trade in the 1st place but at least the Sox didn't compound it . Glad he chose free agency. Sit on our talent . I rather see if they could succeed here than with another team. Cubs unloaded some serious talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Sometimes the best moves are not making moves. I know you like Joc but I'm always against trading for a 1 yr . players . I hated the Samardzija trade and I hated all the talk about extending/resigning him despite every single sign and quote from him pointed to him becoming a free agent. Terrible trade in the 1st place but at least the Sox didn't compound it . Glad he chose free agency. Sit on our talent . I rather see if they could succeed here than with another team. Cubs unloaded some serious talent. I wasn't suggesting we make that trade. Just gave a name in answer to a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I'm never going to fault Theo for getting Chapman. He was a pretty big part of their final run into the playoffs and up until the World Series he was pretty good. Theo knew Torres was gonna be good and paid the price that was required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 If it wasn't for a miracle rain delay that team would be the most underwhelming 5 year run of any contender in recent history. They had prospects, the GM and spent the money...and in short order they will be back to the lovable losers while the White Sox make all the headlines. I'm happy their die-hard fans got to see a championship, but talk about an ideal scenario for beaten down Southside fans. The cockiness and annoyance of Cubs fans hit such an obnoxious level that it's just desserts to see them fall apart just as quickly. Dynasty Broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: If it wasn't for a miracle rain delay that team would be the most underwhelming 5 year run of any contender in recent history. They had prospects, the GM and spent the money...and in short order they will be back to the lovable losers while the White Sox make all the headlines. I'm happy their die-hard fans got to see a championship, but talk about an ideal scenario for beaten down Southside fans. The cockiness and annoyance of Cubs fans hit such an obnoxious level that it's just desserts to see them fall apart just as quickly. Dynasty Broken. If you really want to drive them crazy...beat them in the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Three big decisions cost Theo. 1. Trading Eloy and Cease for Quintana. 2. Not trading Schwarber when his value was peak - instead convincing himself he could be a nice NL player. 3. Trading Torres for Chapman. If he didn't trade Eloy, moving Schwarber becomes easier. He could have gotten an arm for Schwarber. Not evaluating and moving on from Russell was also a mistake but a more difficult decision to make. Amazing to think that the one prospect theo didnt love and almost made expendable turned out to be his 2nd best player - Baez. Imagine Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Torres and Eloy. Jaysus. That's how you KEEP winning, hopefully our guys remember this when the time comes Keep building the farm and the necessary help to win will be built in house In all sports, often time going all in will cost a team long term (Blackhawks, Yankees, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I'm never going to fault Theo for getting Chapman. He was a pretty big part of their final run into the playoffs and up until the World Series he was pretty good. Theo knew Torres was gonna be good and paid the price that was required. True and as a final piece that worked out to win a World Series I am OK with it too. But we aren't that close yet so I'd rather not trade minor league talent just yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guys Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I agree that Schwarber should have been traded to the AL long ago but trades haven't hurt the Cubs as much poor free agent signings/bad contracts have. Heyward, Darvish, and Chatwood are 3 mistakes Theo wishes he could have back. Without the Chapman trade the Cubs don't have a WS ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guys Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Theo did a great job rebuilding the Cubs and winning a world series but he hasn't made a lot of moves that have benefited the Cubs since that championship. There's a reason he's not in Boston anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: True and as a final piece that worked out to win a World Series I am OK with it too. But we aren't that close yet so I'd rather not trade minor league talent just yet. My comment in no way means I advocate trading prospects right now. I am just talking about in respect to Theo's faults and mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: My comment in no way means I advocate trading prospects right now. I am just talking about in respect to Theo's faults and mistakes. Oh i know what you were saying I was just arguing previously about hating trading for 1 year guys like Pederson and previously Samardzija. It never makes much sense to me especially now still looking to get in a position to compete rather than needing a final piece to win a World Series . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, Good Guys said: I agree that Schwarber should have been traded to the AL long ago but trades haven't hurt the Cubs as much poor free agent signings/bad contracts have. Heyward, Darvish, and Chatwood are 3 mistakes Theo wishes he could have back. Without the Chapman trade the Cubs don't have a WS ring. Schwarber is the poster boy for the old axiom that it is better to trade a player a year to early rather than a year to late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, EloyJenkins said: If it wasn't for a miracle rain delay that team would be the most underwhelming 5 year run of any contender in recent history. They had prospects, the GM and spent the money...and in short order they will be back to the lovable losers while the White Sox make all the headlines. I'm happy their die-hard fans got to see a championship, but talk about an ideal scenario for beaten down Southside fans. The cockiness and annoyance of Cubs fans hit such an obnoxious level that it's just desserts to see them fall apart just as quickly. Dynasty Broken. They played in three straight NLCS'. I wouldn't call that underwhelming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Good Guys said: I agree that Schwarber should have been traded to the AL long ago but trades haven't hurt the Cubs as much poor free agent signings/bad contracts have. Heyward, Darvish, and Chatwood are 3 mistakes Theo wishes he could have back. Without the Chapman trade the Cubs don't have a WS ring. And Morrow. Soler/W.Davis didn't exactly work out, either. All those Royals' pen arms were burned out in 2014-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I'm never going to fault Theo for getting Chapman. He was a pretty big part of their final run into the playoffs and up until the World Series he was pretty good. Theo knew Torres was gonna be good and paid the price that was required. Disagree. Chapman was so readily available, I didn't believe at the time that Cubs had to give up that much. Still don't. Theo had other ways to help his bullpen without giving up Torres. Theo got played by Yank GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, oldsox said: Disagree. Chapman was so readily available, I didn't believe at the time that Cubs had to give up that much. Still don't. Theo had other ways to help his bullpen without giving up Torres. Theo got played by Yank GM. Cool. So what would he have to give up for one of the best closers in baseball in August and not be played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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