Dominikk85 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 We obviously know they won't get close to the luxury tax anytime soon, but what is their payroll ceiling? I'm not talking 2019 but the ceiling during the next 5 years, obviously they need to allow for some room to go up as players hit arbitration. So far the highest payroll was around 130m in 2011 which is like 150m in today's baseball dollars. That was an outlier though, other than that the highest payrolls were like 115-120. Do you think a 150m payroll is realistic towards the end of the window? Talking about what will happen not what should happen of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 End of the window they better be flirting with 170-180+. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 If they are at 150 million in 5 years something went really wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dominikk85 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 13 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said: If they are at 150 million in 5 years something went really wrong. What do you think is realistic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 8 teams last year were 168+ mil payrolls. If the Sox don't reach there, that likely means Moncada and/or Giolito walk or get traded at some point. For now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, since they have in the past skirted with a top 5 payroll. We'll see if they do that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I believe 160 + makes the top third of MLB. A major market such as the WS have zero reason not to be in the top third of baseball. I believe we will spend this amount in 2020. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I hope they get to 180+ for 1-2 years at the end of the wIndow. Even if that means losing money they saved so much money in the rebuild that they should be able to go 20m into the negative for 2 years especially since they can save money after the window again if they start another rebuild in 2026 or so. Unfortunately many owners seem to not be willing to accept a single year loss of money even if the bottom line over 5 years is distinctly positive. Edited December 3, 2019 by Dominikk85 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Could see them adding Wheeler, Hamels, and Castellanos/Joc along with a few lesser FAs which is mind blowing to me, not sure where that puts us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: Could see them adding Wheeler, Hamels, and Castellanos/Joc along with a few lesser FAs which is mind blowing to me, not sure where that puts us $125-130 million range before the “few lesser FAs”. Edited December 4, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It's going to be tough to win a WS at less than 150m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: $125-130 million range before the “few lesser FAs”. Would love Hamels for 2/$28 with an option maybe if possible Wheeler improves this rotation and team but tossing him nine digits is ludicrous to me, he is inconsistent...this team needs inning eating vets Kopech and Rodon will be on the way back, Cease hopefully takes a steps forward, maybe Lopez does, and hopefully Gio continues his success...Maybe a Dunning appearance by Sept....Hamels allows this team to compete now and invest big money down the road appropriately regardless I'm excited for this team next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: I hope they get to 180+ for 1-2 years at the end of the wIndow. Even if that means losing money they saved so much money in the rebuild that they should be able to go 20m into the negative for 2 years especially since they can save money after the window again if they start another rebuild in 2026 or so. Unfortunately many owners seem to not be willing to accept a single year loss of money even if the bottom line over 5 years is distinctly positive. Lol c'mon, you really think this ownership group would do that? They care about making money first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said: Could see them adding Wheeler, Hamels, and Castellanos/Joc along with a few lesser FAs which is mind blowing to me, not sure where that puts us Well they can't go to 150+ this year because they need to leave some room for when arb salaries kick in. Unless they give out 1-2 year contracts that run out when arb for the core starts. Edited December 4, 2019 by Dominikk85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 If the window is just finally opening why do people think we're spending like it's abut to close? Really hope some of these proposed deals (Wheeler) don't hold us back in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 MLB average over the past couple years is about $135 million. Sox have "saved" about $30 million per year the past two years. In the past 25 years, revenues across MLB have increased by about 15% per year. With that said, Sox payroll should easily be about $140-$150 million this year and by the end of the window in 4-5 years be pushing $190-$200. There is money for nice things and for Jerry to make money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Wisebri224 said: MLB average over the past couple years is about $135 million. Sox have "saved" about $30 million per year the past two years. In the past 25 years, revenues across MLB have increased by about 15% per year. With that said, Sox payroll should easily be about $140-$150 million this year and by the end of the window in 4-5 years be pushing $190-$200. There is money for nice things and for Jerry to make money The Sox have been a top 5 payroll team before, and if they sniff real contention they will be again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Sox going to be hard pressed to eclipse $120M at this point. $86M committed today including all arb and pre-arb players. Even if you add Ryu/Keuchel at $20M and then a backend guy like Wood for $10M, still only at $116M. So much for those $160M payrolls some people wanted to believe would happen in 2020. I was hopeful for $130M range, but that's going to be tough to get to at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Sox going to be hard pressed to eclipse $120M at this point. $86M committed today including all arb and pre-arb players. Even if you add Ryu/Keuchel at $20M and then a backend guy like Wood for $10M, still only at $116M. So much for those $160M payrolls some people wanted to believe would happen in 2020. I was hopeful for $130M range, but that's going to be tough to get to at this point. I would be happy with your Even If scenario at this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, wegner said: I would be happy with your Even If scenario at this time. I would have signed up for a Grandal/Ryu/Mazara/pitcher x before the offseason started, but I'm also an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mqr said: I would have signed up for a Grandal/Ryu/Mazara/pitcher x before the offseason started, but I'm also an idiot. I think a lot of people would have even a couple months ago, when it was conventional wisdom that 2020 was a year early. But the quick Grandal signing followed by the Wheeler sweepstakes gave everyone (me included) 2020 fever. In any event, it is indeed clear they’re not serious about spending yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Can we please, please stop with this pauper routine? There are 30 MLB ownership groups. These organizations know exactly what it would take financially to compete. The Reinsdorf group could up the anty to 200 million TODAY if they so desired. I am so sick and tired of these apologists allowing Reinsdorf to get off the hook with this crying poor routine. If the kitchen is too hot, they can sell the team and move on. However, they're not going to sell because the White Sox ARE profitable. The ownership group is not comprised of affluent sportsmen. They are savvy businessmen who are in it for the personal financial enrichment.. period. Stop being played. Reinsdorf got exposed with that crack about keep the base (what's left of it) thirsty. That"s sounds so like him. And don't think for one second elite free agents are not swayed by the level of ownership commitment. Reinsdorf will live in infamy as the guy that whined about paying Michael Jordan fair market value. Edited December 13, 2019 by GradMc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) And we have a brand new broadcasting rights deal... supposedly!!! Interestingly, they don't want the numbers of the Sox per game increase to get out, since it hasn't been reportedly publicly anywhere...or they're totally embarrassed to be getting less money the next five years before going back into renegotiations? Edited December 13, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 14 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Sox going to be hard pressed to eclipse $120M at this point. $86M committed today including all arb and pre-arb players. Even if you add Ryu/Keuchel at $20M and then a backend guy like Wood for $10M, still only at $116M. So much for those $160M payrolls some people wanted to believe would happen in 2020. I was hopeful for $130M range, but that's going to be tough to get to at this point. What is particularly troublesome is that they need bullpen help and we're watching relievers come off the board without them seemingly sniffing around any of them. Failing to get adequate relief pitching help would be another way to punt on this season and at least in the Fangraphs world, 6 of the top 7 options are already off the board. This is a position where they should be getting something done right now - when you wait until January the risk goes up and you find a Kelvin Herrera as the guy you nab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnooch Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I thought I read that the Sox new TV deal paid $750k per game which when multiplied by 162 equates to approximately 120 million which in itself covers payroll. This does not include national tv money, concession revenue, parking, and many other revenue streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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