ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Odds are that the ship has sailed on a Castellanos signing...and a Wheeler deal would put the final fork in it. You can, of course, argue the merits of Castellanos AND Ryu vs. Wheeler. If Wheeler signed, Sox payroll is slightly over $100M. They definitely have room for another $13-16M AAV player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said: The Sox’ need for Nick’s services severely decreases with a Joc acquisition, which means the team wouldn’t win any $$$$ bidding war, because they wouldn’t need to. Unless you're paying him "only" $50-60 million to be a full-time DH, which pretty much makes no sense with Abreu probably having to move over there in 2021/22 for Vaughn. Better to just sign EE for one year and reassess Abreu, Collins/Grandal/McCann next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I really love an Eloy, Robert and Joc outfield for 2020...and depending on the market try and work out a 2 year extension with Joc this spring. See how well he hits and then if Adolfo or Basabe are ready by End of 2020 you can baby step them into the RF role and you have Joc play RF, DH and spell Eloy in LF in 21,22. Power for days in the lineup and having Joc, Abreu and Grandal as your carousel of DH guys for contention years is pretty choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Adolfo and Basabe in my opinion are not very good hitters....shhhhh....I didn't want to say that, that's why I wanted to trade them for Joc! Edited December 4, 2019 by Chisox378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, fathom said: All this talk about Joc, and no one is focusing on Castellanos, a player many in the media have mentioned today in connection with the Sox A DH coming off a career year , largely driven by one great half, with Boras as his agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Ok, since my first offer you all thought favored the Dodgers, give them Colome, Basabe, and Adolfo for Joc and prospect Jacob Amaya. Edited December 4, 2019 by Chisox378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Guys, Collins passes the greg eye test. Those veterans of this board know I have a pretty good track record with my eye tests on players. A lot of you were burying Yoan 2 years ago whether you'll admit it or not. I never worried bout him. And Collins passes my eye test. Trade him at your own risk for Joc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Ok, since my first offer you all thought favored the Dodgers, give them Colome, Basabe, and Adolfo for Joc and prospect Jacob Amaya. Dear lord this is an atrocious trade and any GM offering it should be fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, greg775 said: Guys, Collins passes the greg eye test. Those veterans of this board know I have a pretty good track record with my eye tests on players. A lot of you were burying Yoan 2 years ago whether you'll admit it or not. I never worried bout him. And Collins passes my eye test. Trade him at your own risk for Joc. I agree Greg, we may regret trading Collins if we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Gavin Sheets and Collins are keepers. I think Rutherford can be a good bench fill in starter at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: I really love an Eloy, Robert and Joc outfield for 2020...and depending on the market try and work out a 2 year extension with Joc this spring. See how well he hits and then if Adolfo or Basabe are ready by End of 2020 you can baby step them into the RF role and you have Joc play RF, DH and spell Eloy in LF in 21,22. Power for days in the lineup and having Joc, Abreu and Grandal as your carousel of DH guys for contention years is pretty choice. 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Tell that to Semien and Tatis, Jr. and all those who saw no value in them when those trades went down and were pining for us to resign Samardzija. Same thing will happen if we acquire Joc. What will it take to resign him over and over again until he chooses Free Agency. Here we go ,right on cue. Edited December 4, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Quin said: Dear lord this is an atrocious trade and any GM offering it should be fired. Ok, Would they do Fulmer,Adolfo & Colome for Joc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Adolfo and Basabe in my opinion are not very good hitters....shhhhh....I didn't want to say that, that's why I wanted to trade them for Joc! You don't really think anyone is a good hitter though right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Ok, Would they do Fulmer,Adolfo & Colome for Joc? Because Joc is a platoon OF that cannot lefties worth jack with one year remaining. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, turnin' two said: You don't really think anyone is a good hitter though right? Ok maybe I need to say it more gentle. There are other Sox top prospect hitters that I like alot more than Adolfo and Basabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: Because Joc is a platoon OF that cannot lefties worth jack with one year remaining. Joc should be extended if we get him. If he can play CF he is even more valuable (yes I still think Robert needs a full year in the minors) Edited December 4, 2019 by Chisox378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Joc should be extended if we get him. If he can play CF he is even more valuable (yes I still think Robert needs a full year in the minors) I don’t think joc is signing anything but a longer term extension. Why would he sign like a one year extension? I don’t think that would be very beneficial. 4 year deal with big enough money...that to me is what it would take to drive him to sign any extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Gavin Sheets and Collins are keepers. I think Rutherford can be a good bench fill in starter at some point. What impresses you about Sheets? Everything I've heard, seen and read has led me to nothing but a bucket of meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Joc on a 1 year deal is meh if you can’t lock him up for 4 more or so afterwards. Seeing his name in the rumor mill again kinda gives me nightmares to last offseason though....ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: Joc on a 1 year deal is meh if you can’t lock him up for 4 more or so afterwards. Seeing his name in the rumor mill again kinda gives me nightmares to last offseason though....ugh Good call on the splits. Jocs 36 HR all came vs. RHP. He is a platoon guy and not worth Colome. There may be better options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: What impresses you about Sheets? Everything I've heard, seen and read has led me to nothing but a bucket of meh. Well I believe he can hit for average, has decent k to bb rate, and has some pop. .280avg .380obp 25hr 90rbi guy...no? Also, Sheets has a nice swing, short swing. Looking at Adolfo video he has too much going on with a high leg kick, and his stats don't ring power. Edited December 4, 2019 by Chisox378 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Guys, just read Chisox378's profile. He isn't being serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Good call on the splits. Jocs 36 HR all came vs. RHP. He is a platoon guy and not worth Colome. There may be better options. If you put Joc and Castellanos together that would be an awesome player. Castellanos hit LHP at .370 .425 .713 1.138 last year. Joc hit all 36 Homers against RHP & hit .252 .349 .571 .920 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Good call on the splits. Jocs 36 HR all came vs. RHP. He is a platoon guy and not worth Colome. There may be better options. Doubtful the Dodgers would even consider Colome for Pederson straight up. Half of the point in trading him is wiping out $8-9 million in payroll obligations for a better, more complete player (like a Rendon.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 If anything I’m more concerned with the fact that Pederson would be a rental. As far as the platoon splits go, Leury could just play RF against lefties. He hit .311 with a .786 OPS against them last year which is more than respectable. And it’s not like there’s that many lefties anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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