chw42 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 One thing to consider is that Joc is absolutely useless vs. lefties. You have to platoon him, whereas Calhoun's splits are much more balanced. That being said, Joc is a much better hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, chw42 said: One thing to consider is that Joc is absolutely useless vs. lefties. You have to platoon him, whereas Calhoun's splits are much more balanced. That being said, Joc is a much better hitter. I'd be perfectly content to play Leury with a dash of Engel on the weak side of a platoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, chw42 said: One thing to consider is that Joc is absolutely useless vs. lefties. You have to platoon him, whereas Calhoun's splits are much more balanced. That being said, Joc is a much better hitter. He just mashes RH pitching though.. And what percentage of pitching is RH? 70%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2019 Author Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, cjgalloway said: He just mashes RH pitching though.. And what percentage of pitching is RH? 70%? Especially in our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I believe he is in the same tier as a Marcel Osuna. 4 year-50 million? Does that sound resonable for Joc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, fathom said: If that’s all it takes...see ya Pilkington Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Joc is a pretty low risk as well. He's a platoon bat with 1 year before FA. He shouldn't cost anything major and he's going to be worth around 3 WAR. You get into the Hanigers and Nimmos etc, they are going to cost much better prospects and have real injury/downside issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: I believe he is in the same tier as a Marcel Osuna. 4 year-50 million? Does that sound resonable for Joc? For extending his contract after next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Joc is a pretty low risk as well. He's a platoon bat with 1 year before FA. He shouldn't cost anything major and he's going to be worth around 3 WAR. You get into the Hanigers and Nimmos etc, they are going to cost much better prospects and have real injury/downside issues. I’d rather have Joc than Calhoun, but not by a gigantic amount since each would only be in one year deals. hypothetically we add Grandal, Joc/Calhoun, Encarnacion, we will have added a ton of pop to our lineup and also retained future financial flexibility. Sprinkle in Wheeler plus a solid backend starter and a pen arm and we are cooking in 2020. Edited December 3, 2019 by steveno89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, mqr said: You'll never get me to buy the NL players = bad thing. Adam Laroche was a bad move when it happened. Adam Dunn was old. Frazier was actually mostly fine. It ain't 1975. I’ll never understand what the logic is behind “NL players will struggle in the AL”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Balta1701 said: the recent white sox Dh signings. That is a White Sox problem, not an AL vs NL one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’ll never understand what the logic is behind “NL players will struggle in the AL”. Because we all remember Dunn and Larouch... BUT apart from them I can't specifically think of anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’ll never understand what the logic is behind “NL players will struggle in the AL”. Not all do. But the ones the White Sox select seem to struggle a lot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Not all do. But the ones the White Sox select seem to struggle a lot . Most of the players the White Sox select struggle a lot. Regardless of where they came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: I guess Bob Nightengale is full of shit unless he writes something fans like. To be fair, he called Harper to the Phillies from the start last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: I'm down for one year of Joc. Buys another year for one of the OF prospects to emerge. Unless one of them is in the trade for him like Fulmer and Basabe for Joc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Unless one of them is in the trade for him like Fulmer and Basabe for Joc. Be shocked if one of them wasn’t included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Well if renting a player off of 73 wins was debacle and massive failure in 2014, it takes a special baseball mind like that of Rick Hahn to repeat the failed practice in 2019 coming off of 72 wins. Pass big time on 1 year rents. Edited December 3, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Gonzalez would be another obvious choice...as the highest hopes remain for Adolfo, Walker and hanging on to Rutherford one more year seems prudent since his trade value is already depressed. That said, not sure why the Dodgers would want either of those two outfielders. Perhaps Buehler has convinced them he sees something in his former Vandy teammate that’s fixable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers asked for Colome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Colome for Joc, get er done! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Well if renting a player off of 73 wins was debacle and massive failure in 2014, it takes a special baseball mind like that of Rick Hahn to repeat the failed practice in 2019 coming off of 72 wins. Pass big time on 1 year rents. I partially agree, but there are very different circumstances surrounding the similar win totals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Well if renting a player off of 73 wins was debacle and massive failure in 2014, it takes a special baseball mind like that of Rick Hahn to repeat the failed practice in 2019 coming off of 72 wins. Pass big time on 1 year rents. Holding onto all your prospects until they reach the point of no value is far more stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Jace Fry for Joc seems like it would make sense for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Holding onto all your prospects until they reach the point of no value is far more stupid. The problem there is having "all your prospects reach the point of no value". That's, um, not supposed to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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