Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So you think he goes up and not down? Certainly possible as he was still 12% better than league average and a 21 year old, but k'rates north of 30 can scare off anyone. Hell, moncada fell in some rankings solely because of his bat to ball skills and he struck out a lot but his batted ball numbers were absurd. I don't know and honestly I don't care. I put little to no value in any prospect ranking list. The Marlins bought low on him because that was most likely the only time he would ever be available. It was a bold move and I hope it works out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 As of the last FG's prospect update: Madrigal - 25th Jazz - 28th At the start of the year: Madrigal - 32nd Jazz - 31st Not a huge change, and their FV's are the same so they are classified the same, but Madrigal jumped him with this past season according to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don't know and honestly I don't care. I put little to no value in any prospect ranking list. The Marlins bought low on him because that was most likely the only time he would ever be available. It was a bold move and I hope it works out for them. I think the Marlins sold high on Gallen more than they bought low on Jazz but that's just semantics anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Speaking of prospects who might be traded, surprised no-one has mentioned Dalquist or Thompson. Recent draftees that wouldn't headline a deal, but could add some heft to package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, DirtySox said: Speaking of prospects who might be traded, surprised no-one has mentioned Dalquist or Thompson. Recent draftees that wouldn't headline a deal, but could add some heft to package. Also I will be bummed if Dalquist is moved. I think he could be a monster in time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As of the last FG's prospect update: Madrigal - 25th Jazz - 28th At the start of the year: Madrigal - 32nd Jazz - 31st Not a huge change, and their FV's are the same so they are classified the same, but Madrigal jumped him with this past season according to them. Robert at #18 on fangraphs list is criminal after the 2019 season he had 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Robert at #18 on fangraphs list is criminal after the 2019 season he had Fangraphs ranking have always struck me as odd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, steveno89 said: Robert at #18 on fangraphs list is criminal after the 2019 season he had Their entire basis is because of one player that they overvalued before and looked wrong on - Brinson. It's a stupid way to evaluate a player, but if that's what they want to base their rankings on then so be it. Fangraphs was also higher on Moncada than Law who had him pushed down in the 20th range. At the end of the day, Robert I think is valued much higher (league wide) then that rankings but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Their entire basis is because of one player that they overvalued before and looked wrong on - Brinson. It's a stupid way to evaluate a player, but if that's what they want to base their rankings on then so be it. Fangraphs was also higher on Moncada than Law who had him pushed down in the 20th range. At the end of the day, Robert I think is valued much higher (league wide) then that rankings but who knows. I would be shocked if the rest of the league viewed Robert that lowly. He seems like he has a "nearly top of the league how are we getting this guy available" value. If you want to get the Mets talking about DeGrom, he's the kind of guy who could make that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I would be shocked if the rest of the league viewed Robert that lowly. He seems like he has a "nearly top of the league how are we getting this guy available" value. If you want to get the Mets talking about DeGrom, he's the kind of guy who could make that happen. Yeah, I think baseball is infatuated with ceilings; always has been. Robert has a best player in the World ceiling, despite his bust potential. The amount of prospects that have this ceiling is incredibly low. I also find the Robert ranking by FG to be odd. They loved Buxton because his floor was so damn high. Bux was getting sent down when he was on 3 WAR paces solely because his bat hadn't played up. Robert's glove and base running probably make him a 2.5-3 WAR player just rolling out of bed; look at Victor Robles for a comp if he doesn't hit next year. Robert could also, like many incredibly talented players before him, make an adjustment really quickly in the big leagues to his approach and he could dominate from the beginning. He's never really had to change his approach, so it's tough to say whether he can do it or not. That is the big question for Robert. If he does that, you're talking about as elite of a talent as you're going to find around the league and teams are infatuated with that kind of talent. Edited December 9, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, I think baseball is infatuated with ceilings; always has been. Robert has a best player in the World ceiling, despite his bust potential. The amount of prospects that have this ceiling is incredibly low. I also find the Robert ranking by FG to be odd. They loved Buxton because his floor was so damn high. Bux was getting sent down when he was on 3 WAR paces solely because his bat hadn't played up. Robert's glove and base running probably make him a 2.5-3 WAR player just rolling out of bed; look at Victor Robles for a comp if he doesn't hit next year. Robert could also, like many incredibly talented players before him, make an adjustment really quickly in the big leagues to his approach and he could dominate from the beginning. He's never really had to change his approach, so it's tough to say whether he can do it or not. That is the big question for Robert. If he does that, you're talking about as elite of a talent as you're going to find around the league and teams are infatuated with that kind of talent. Exactly. Robert has bust potential for sure, and does not draw many walks currently, which may frighten some evaluators. The upside is immense, because if Robert continues to improve you are looking at an absolute five tool force. Let Robert prove himself in AAA for the first month or two of 2020, and if he does as expected call him up to the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Robert at #18 on fangraphs list is criminal after the 2019 season he had They are currently updating their rankings right now. They have only done 4 teams so far this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Rabbit knows things about the sp sox try to acquire but drops hints. Why not tell us details unless u work for sox and doesn't allow u.warning that's not a personal attack.its something I don't understand at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, I think baseball is infatuated with ceilings; always has been. Robert has a best player in the World ceiling, despite his bust potential. The amount of prospects that have this ceiling is incredibly low. I also find the Robert ranking by FG to be odd. They loved Buxton because his floor was so damn high. Bux was getting sent down when he was on 3 WAR paces solely because his bat hadn't played up. Robert's glove and base running probably make him a 2.5-3 WAR player just rolling out of bed; look at Victor Robles for a comp if he doesn't hit next year. Robert could also, like many incredibly talented players before him, make an adjustment really quickly in the big leagues to his approach and he could dominate from the beginning. He's never really had to change his approach, so it's tough to say whether he can do it or not. That is the big question for Robert. If he does that, you're talking about as elite of a talent as you're going to find around the league and teams are infatuated with that kind of talent. Does he really have that much bust potential though? With his defense, even if the bat never comes elite, he is likely a 3 WAR player, Similar to Buxton, who certainly hasn't been very good with the bat, but still has been immensely valuable when on the field due to his defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: They are currently updating their rankings right now. They have only done 4 teams so far this offseason. Nah, they already did their year end updates on the BOARD. That is where Robert will sit to start next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Does he really have that much bust potential though? With his defense, even if the bat never comes elite, he is likely a 3 WAR player, Similar to Buxton, who certainly hasn't been very good with the bat, but still has been immensely valuable when on the field due to his defense. Yeah, this is my argument as well. His bust potential with his bat is obviously legit as he has some swing and miss, and he hasn't been tested yet so it's hard to conclude how he will adjust. That is a fair take to have, but his BR and defense are elite. He doesn't even need to be a great bat for this to matter. Buxton was just a 2.7 WAR player in 1/2 a season! The point of being a legit 5 tool prospect is that if one of the tools doesn't show up in the big leagues, you have 4+ tools to carry you. The less tools you have, the more carrying power one tool must have, but when you have 3 carrying tools and 2 + FV tools, you've got some security. Edited December 9, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Nah, they already did their year end updates on the BOARD. That is where Robert will sit to start next year. Except for that they are currently updating their rankings right now. They have done 4 teams so far this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Greek-konerko said: Rabbit knows things about the sp sox try to acquire but drops hints. Why not tell us details unless u work for sox and doesn't allow u.warning that's not a personal attack.its something I don't understand at all. There's a difference between hearing some things and knowing specifics. He has been really credible and measured in what he chooses to reveal. I believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Except for that they are currently updating their rankings right now. They have done 4 teams so far this off-season. Yeah, they're just giving you a new rundown of their top 30 for each team. They said at the end of the year, that they were done moving guys and they took a lot of questions regarding the Robert situation, and they stubbornly have stayed consistent with their valuation on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I honestly don't see what pitchers would be available let alone coveted so rabbit's tweet is giving me a headache trying to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: I honestly don't see what pitchers would be available let alone coveted so rabbit's tweet is giving me a headache trying to figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Does he really have that much bust potential though? With his defense, even if the bat never comes elite, he is likely a 3 WAR player, Similar to Buxton, who certainly hasn't been very good with the bat, but still has been immensely valuable when on the field due to his defense. Yes he does but it's because of health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, mqr said: I honestly don't see what pitchers would be available let alone coveted so rabbit's tweet is giving me a headache trying to figure it out. IT’s got to be Marquez and someone like a Lance McCullers maybe (buying low after TJS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Yes he does but it's because of health. Yah, that's fair. I actually think Buxton is a pretty great comp for him, though perhaps Robert has a tad more offensive upside, Buxton a tad more defensive upside. Hopefully he can stay healthier than Byron has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, mqr said: I honestly don't see what pitchers would be available let alone coveted so rabbit's tweet is giving me a headache trying to figure it out. It is not immediately clear which above average starting pitcher(s) may be available via trade either, but you never know for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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