soxfan3530 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, steveno89 said: It is not immediately clear which above average starting pitcher(s) may be available via trade either, but you never know for various reasons. Agreed. Unless we can get one of the Rockies pitchers (Gray, Marquez) I’m not sure who that pitcher is. I doubt the Rays trade Snell. Not really interested in Ray or the Red Sox guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I was talking about the people who rank prospects. Understood. Sorry if I sounded stuffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why is 2nd base easy to fill? Outside of catcher, 2nd base has consistently had the fewest 3+ WAR players in baseball over the past decade. That means to me, that if Madrigal is a 3+ WAR player for the next 7 years he's an incredibly valuable piece. Because it's a relatively easier defensive position to shift to, so more infield candidates can fill it. And the price for 2b signings the last several years has been low years and pretty low AAV, and if it was difficult to fill you'd expect a player like Lemahieu last year to earn quite a bit more than 2/24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, bmags said: Because it's a relatively easier defensive position to shift to, so more infield candidates can fill it. And the price for 2b signings the last several years has been low years and pretty low AAV, and if it was difficult to fill you'd expect a player like Lemahieu last year to earn quite a bit more than 2/24. The signings and price has been low because those players are bad. Schoop? Dozier? Kinsler? These guys are finished. I don't think you can argue that 2nd base is easy to fill when baseball in general struggles to fill the position with above average MLB players. I agree that it's a position you can switch a player into, but in general the position is weaker than SS, 3rd base and the OF in regards of quality big league talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The signings and price has been low because those players are bad. Schoop? Dozier? Kinsler? These guys are finished. I don't think you can argue that 2nd base is easy to fill when baseball in general struggles to fill the position with above average MLB players. I agree that it's a position you can switch a player into, but in general the position is weaker than SS, 3rd base and the OF in regards of quality big league talent. The (under)valuation on Villar could be looked at as more evidence as well...because 90% of quality SS’s can be easily moved over. And the ability of guys like Moustakas and Muncy to play over there is showing how teams are getting pretty creative in order to have a legit offensive threat at nearly every position on the field, other than maybe catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The (under)valuation on Villar could be looked at as more evidence as well...because 90% of quality SS’s can be easily moved over. And the ability of guys like Moustakas and Muncy to play over there is showing how teams are getting pretty creative in order to have a legit offensive threat at nearly every position on the field, other than maybe catcher. Villar is a SS and utility guy, and he was claimed so I'm not sure it's safe to say that because the Orioles are cheap as fuck and want to spend no money that Villar is undervalued by baseball. Villar also isn't exactly a beacon of consistency; he has 5 sub 2 WAR season and 2 3+ WAR seasons. Steamer projects him to be a 1.8 WAR player which isn't something people are writing home about. Edited December 9, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 With how the market is taking shape, my feeling is the Sox definitely fill their main pitching target with a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Sox do not have time to play games with free agent pitchers. If Cole signs soon, all those teams that miss out will pivot to the Kuechel and Ryus of the world. Make a splash now or settle for a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Orlando said: Sox do not have time to play games with free agent pitchers. If Cole signs soon, all those teams that miss out will pivot to the Kuechel and Ryus of the world. Make a splash now or settle for a trade Agreed. I feel likes it’s getting more and more likely the Sox will not end up with any big name out of FA for SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just for laughs... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Orlando said: Just for laughs... Fuck me... Me no likes this Edited December 9, 2019 by cjgalloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, cjgalloway said: Fuck me... No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 If they deal Cease, they better be fucking right. Unless it's a big name, that could have disaster written all over it. There's a pretty good chance that Cease will be an established, premier talent before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 UPDATE: I'm hearing the Sox are deep in talks on a Cease for Samardzija swap to bring him back to the South Side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Orlando said: Just for laughs... What elite talent would he draw right now? A declining Kershaw? A package to get Thor who is a free agent in 2 years? Get out of here dude.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinsettle Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Oh I don't like that...better be someone really good. Cease is going to be elite once he finds the strike zone more consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Justinsettle said: Oh I don't like that...better be someone really good. Cease is going to be elite once he finds the strike zone more consistently. Take your own advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 madrigal, vaughan, + mid tier for snell who says no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Kiebs13 said: madrigal, vaughan, + mid tier for snell who says no? ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: ?????? you get 4 years of a cost controlled ace. sox got more for 3 years of sale. this is definitely less than the sox received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo8 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Kiebs13 said: madrigal, vaughan, + mid tier for snell who says no? well rabbit already said it not vaaughn and i wont trade madrigal unless you can find a potinal 2nd baseman in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, timbo8 said: well rabbit already said it not vaaughn and i wont trade madrigal unless you can find a potinal 2nd baseman in the future this is where my pipe dream of signing rendon comes into play lol. just daydreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Kiebs13 said: you get 4 years of a cost controlled ace. sox got more for 3 years of sale. this is definitely less than the sox received. Snell isn’t as good as Sale was when the Sox traded him. So trading both Madrigal and Vaughn for him would be awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: Snell isn’t as good as Sale was when the Sox traded him. So trading both Madrigal and Vaughn for him would be awful. I implied as much. kopech and moncada were both more highly regarded at the time of the trade than either madrigal or vaughan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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