Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Created this poll to get a sense of what everyone is thinking about SP. I voted bargain shopping/make a trade. Edited December 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Created this poll to get a sense of what everyone is thinking about SP. I voted bargain shopping/make a trade. Go all in on Rendon *option one* I like Ryu best of the remaining starting pitchers. Yes, he is an injury risk, but he's outstanding when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Go all in on Rendon *option one* I like Ryu best of the remaining starting pitchers. Yes, he is an injury risk, but he's outstanding when healthy. I could be sold on Bumgarner at 4/88 max. anything more than that, and I'd pass. Want nothing to do with Ryu and Keuchel. I'd bargain shop from here, and save your wad o'cash for next winter when Betts is available. Edited December 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 The thing for this team to do at this point is to go all in on Strasburg. Give him $40 million a year if you have to. He’s the one guy out there that would actually sell jerseys and sell tickets. If he gets hurt or goes downhill your fans can’t blame you for lack of trying. (I wouldn’t trust this bunch to trade prospects for established pitchers and I wouldn’t go after Kenny specials like the above three.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Juschill said: The thing for this team to do at this point is to go all in on Strasburg. Give him $40 million a year if you have to. He’s the one guy out there that would actually sell jerseys and sell tickets. If he gets hurt or goes downhill your fans can’t blame you for lack of trying. (I wouldn’t trust this bunch to trade prospects for established pitchers and I wouldn’t go after Kenny specials like the above three.) We'd love that, but do you see JR and Boras coming to an agreement on him? When hell freezes over. They should do it, but they won't. Edited December 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: We'd love that, but do you see JR and Boras coming to an agreement on him? When hell freezes over. They should do it, but they won't. No they have a better chance of winning the 1983 World Series than that happening but it’s the smartest move they can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, Juschill said: No they have a better chance of winning the 1983 World Series than that happening but it’s the smartest move they can make. I think everyone agrees with you on both accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Juschill said: The thing for this team to do at this point is to go all in on Strasburg. Better find out where all his relatives and inlaws live first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I could be sold on Bumgarner at 4/88 max. anything more than that, and I'd pass. Want nothing to do with Ryu and Keuchel. I'd bargain shop from here, and save your wad o'cash for next winter when Betts is available. Some are projecting Betts at $370 million and Stras at $238 million in overall contract dollars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I could be sold on Bumgarner at 4/88 max. anything more than that, and I'd pass. Want nothing to do with Ryu and Keuchel. I'd bargain shop from here, and save your wad o'cash for next winter when Betts is available. Ryu and Keuchel each offered 3 years at 15 million would work for me at this point. Some risk but a fair degree of possible upside as well. Way better gamble than Bum at 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, poppysox said: Ryu and Keuchel each offered 3 years at 15 million would work for me at this point. Some risk but a fair degree of possible upside as well. Way better gamble than Bum at 100. That will never happen with Boras. He's getting at least 3/$60 for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That will never happen with Boras. He's getting at least 3/$60 for both. Keuchel might be closer to $50...but $60ish is most accurate for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Created this poll to get a sense of what everyone is thinking about SP. I voted bargain shopping/make a trade. Maybe the Sox should take the bargain basement idea to the extreme. Everyone talks about being creative so here we go. Sign all the youngest hurt/bargain basement guys. Give them all 1 year plus an option or a more than fair buyout like 1 yr $5M contract with a $1M buyout. Some of these guys are going to get more , But the idea is to try to sign 6 of them at the same time to Major league contracts maybe with incentives. I'm not sure if that would work when some would have to be sent to the minors. Don't tell any of them about all the other guys you are signing. I know it's a stupid idea mainly because I have no idea what guarantees you have to make a player when signed to a major league contract but they aren't going to sign if they know you already signed 3 other guys and they have an equal offer. Tanner Roark Wade Miley Brett Anderson Martin Perez Kevin Gausman Alex Wood Michael Wacha Drew Smiley Gio Gonzalez Julio Teheran Rick Porcello Jordan Lyles Ivan Nova Identify the ones you want most ,equally split perhaps with guys who are worth the most like Miley with guys who could be worth the most recovering from injury that's not too serious . How much would it take to sign 6 of these guys ? $50M AAV ? This increases your odds of finding one who gives you excess value. You hit the jackpot if you find 2. The rest are your AAA depth and if they do well trade them off bring them up to pitch relieve or whatever. Flame away and tell me where the holes in this process are. Then try it again with the holes fixed. You could do a version of this also signing 3 or 4 of them.But the less you sign the less your odds of finding the one who ends up giving you value. Edit: You could do much the same thing with relievers only the price would be much less like the Mets just signed Brad Brach. Edit: Jordan Lyles off the board. Texas signed him. 2 yrs/$16M Edited December 7, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Maybe the Sox should take the bargain basement idea to the extreme. Everyone talks about being creative so here we go. Sign all the youngest hurt/bargain basement guys. Give them all1 year plus an option or a more than fair buyout like 1 yr $5M contract with a $1M buyout. Some of these guys are going to get more , But the idea is to try to sign 6 of them at the same time to Major league contracts maybe with incentives. I'm not sure if that would work when some would have to be sent to the minors. Don't tell any of them about all the other guys you are signing. I know it's a stupid idea mainly because I have no idea what guarantees you have to make a player when signed to a major league contract but they aren't going to sign if they know you already signed 3 other guys and they have an equal offer. Your biggest issue is probably roster spots. Unless they're on a minor league deal with a spring training invitation, you run out of 40-man spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teorey23 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1. Sign Ryu 2. Sign .... Steven Souza... 3. Sign Cesar Hernandez.. Get Leury outta here 4. Sign Anthony Rendon - Moving Moncada back to 2B 5. Trade Nick Madrigal, Carlos Rodon, and a low lever prospect for Noah Syndergaard 6. Trade Zack Collins, Rutherford, and Spencer Adams for Starling Marte Boom let’s f**king roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Definitely want them to trade for a starter. I'm not picking that option, because I don't support bargain store hunting. I'm not sure why those were lumped together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sarava said: Definitely want them to trade for a starter. I'm not picking that option, because I don't support bargain store hunting. I'm not sure why those were lumped together. We have so little worth anything in trades - Vaughn, Madrigal, Robert, and guys already on the big league roster - that I'm still strongly opposed to trading for a starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: We have so little worth anything in trades - Vaughn, Madrigal, Robert, and guys already on the big league roster - that I'm still strongly opposed to trading for a starter. And there is still decent pitching availability next offseason. But, obviously that is more nerve wrecking when we can’t convert on a Wheeler level pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Your biggest issue is probably roster spots. Unless they're on a minor league deal with a spring training invitation, you run out of 40-man spots. True but i guess i was looking for specifics about signing guys to a major league contracts who get an invite to spring training but get sent to the minors. Do they have the option to refuse that? Do they specifically have to be signed to minor league contracts? It could still work in theory unless they all wanted to be starting pitchers but instead 2 become starters in the majors and 2 become relievers if you only sign 4 instead of 6 because maybe there is space on the 25 for 4 pitchers among starters and relievers if one is a long man who can periodically start. Edited December 7, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bmags Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Ugh...this guy is good. I’m a bit jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Madbum The innings dont bother me. 30 doesnt bother me. Multi WS experience. Emotion on sleeve guy. Everybody gave up more HRs last year. Remember when the sox gave danks that extension and let Buehrle walk? He still had plenty in the tank and danks regressed. Trust in the innings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: If that's the case do it now. Tons of 2nd basement on the open market . No idea why the D backs would give away a promising young starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: If that's the case do it now. Tons of 2nd basement on the open market . No idea why the D backs would give away a promising young starter. Ok. But then you sign Rendon right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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