steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, hi8is said: I’ve been asking the same question all week and do not have an answer. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it's a genuine question as to which quality starting pitcher is even available via trade? Fangraphs has Cease projected to be worth 2.2 WAR in 2020 making league minimum. If I am punting years of cheap control over him I had better be getting a legit piece back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I'm in a weird boat where I think people are overstating Keuchel as a bad pitcher, but he is not really what I have in mind for this rotation. It's like a fantasy draft where a guy keeps dropping you know gives you some consistent production and is worth getting there...but just not what you want. But if we are talking something like 3/45 then I think his experience and health would be a benefit to the sox. But I just know we will want that flexibility in the coming year or two to pounce on an expensive guy that becomes available so I am less excited for likely two 18-20 mill guys in keuchel and whomever that soak up a lot of that flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 This thread title is really misleading. /sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: This thread title is really misleading. /sarcasm? Jake Jarmel wouldn’t have used the exclamation point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: I'm in a weird boat where I think people are overstating Keuchel as a bad pitcher, but he is not really what I have in mind for this rotation. It's like a fantasy draft where a guy keeps dropping you know gives you some consistent production and is worth getting there...but just not what you want. But if we are talking something like 3/45 then I think his experience and health would be a benefit to the sox. But I just know we will want that flexibility in the coming year or two to pounce on an expensive guy that becomes available so I am less excited for likely two 18-20 mill guys in keuchel and whomever that soak up a lot of that flexibility. I'd honestly rather roll the dice on plenty of other starting pitching options than go 3-4 years on Keuchel for $15-18 million per. I just do not think he's that good anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: This thread title is really misleading. /sarcasm? Ya I thought the Sox signed him lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, ScooterMcGee said: Ya I thought the Sox signed him lol Was not my intention to mislead, just to point where the Sox might be headed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I shudder to think what this board will do if Keuchel is our marquee free agent acquired outside of Grandal. There's a decent chance it becomes a reality. No, what would really make this board shutter? is if we were the high bidder and he chose the Cubs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Was not my intention to mislead, just to point where the Sox might be headed No problem...I think it's just the atmosphere with it being winter meetings and all. Any statement with "come on down" and a White Sox-connected player's name before it, on any normal boring week, probably would garner a different feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, smellysox said: No, what would really make this board shutter? is if we were the high bidder and he chose the Cubs instead. Cubs need to clear payroll to do anything. They have spent a ton in recent offseasons and that finally has caught up to them. They are not a threat to sign any substantial FA until they shed $$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 It's not Wheeler, and its a big drop off, but he might be the best fit for this team of the remaining FAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I'll just leave this here Just replace Wheeler with any viable, competent MLB starting pitcher. LITERALLY ANYONE is better than the garbage that occupied the bottom half of the rotation last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it's a genuine question as to which quality starting pitcher is even available via trade? Fangraphs has Cease projected to be worth 2.2 WAR in 2020 making league minimum. If I am punting years of cheap control over him I had better be getting a legit piece back. Cease isn't going anywhere, neither is Kopech. Waste of time to even speculate. Both have Ace potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: I'll just leave this here Just replace Wheeler with any viable, competent MLB starting pitcher. LITERALLY ANYONE is better than the garbage that occupied the bottom half of the rotation last year. Doesn't mean we should sign someone expensive that becomes a terrible deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, NotHahn said: Cease isn't going anywhere, neither is Kopech. Waste of time to even speculate. Both have Ace potential. Not according to RaBBit and many other insiders. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, cjgalloway said: Doesn't mean we should sign someone expensive that becomes a terrible deal... That wasn't my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it's a genuine question as to which quality starting pitcher is even available via trade? Fangraphs has Cease projected to be worth 2.2 WAR in 2020 making league minimum. If I am punting years of cheap control over him I had better be getting a legit piece back. Not being a smartass either... nor do I think Cease will be traded or even discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Not according to RaBBit and many other insiders. right? Where does RaBBit or other insiders say that Cease and or Kopech are on the trading block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Not according to RaBBit and many other insiders. right? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, NotHahn said: Where does RaBBit or other insiders say that Cease and or Kopech are on the trading block? This is all speculative right now. Sox rumored to be working the trade market for starting pitching, also rumored to have quality prospects potentially on the table in negotiations, unclear who may even be available though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, NotHahn said: Where does RaBBit or other insiders say that Cease and or Kopech are on the trading block? Maybe I misunderstood all the chat and sharing here of tweets mentioning Cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Maybe I misunderstood all the chat and sharing here of tweets mentioning Cease. No problem. Theres just alot of speculation/bad sources out there. This Ozuna stuff is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Maybe I misunderstood all the chat and sharing here of tweets mentioning Cease. Cease's name was tossed out as a potential trade chip. I doubt he gets dealt this offseason. Stiever is a player they might look to deal after his strong 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Maybe I misunderstood all the chat and sharing here of tweets mentioning Cease. We were laughing at those tweets rather than giving them credence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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