Pal Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Sorry if it's already been brought up or refuted, but this Mazara stuff seems leaked to put another teams feet to the fire to finish off a trade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I'm hoping what's happening is he's available, the sox scouts like him a lot, but he's not actually preventing them from anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: What’s he saying lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: That isn’t true. Against RHP he is. There’s no argument there. His career wRC+ against RHP is 103, so he's slightly above an average hitter against righties on his career. That doesn't fit my definition of "Very productive". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: For being given the opportunity to play everyday in right field of all places and as part of a platoon package with Garcia it’s a bad deal What’s a bad deal? We don’t even know what the deal is. If platooned with someone who hits LHP, it could potentially work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Pal said: Sorry if it's already been brought up or refuted, but this Mazara stuff seems leaked to put another teams feet to the fire to finish off a trade. Yeah, Rick has a lot of free time doing nothing. He is probably just helping his buddy in Texas get a better return from the Marlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Career OPS .799 against RHP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pal said: Sorry if it's already been brought up or refuted, but this Mazara stuff seems leaked to put another teams feet to the fire to finish off a trade. White Sox offer Madison Bumgarner 4 years and $90 million to drive up the price for the Twins, believing that they'll be willing to top it up to $100 million and hamstring themselves financially for the next 2-3 years. Congrats, White Sox, you just overpaid for a #4 starter and made it easier for the Twins over the next 3-4 years of overlapping contention windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Orlando said: Yeah, Rick has a lot of free time doing nothing. He is probably just helping his buddy in Texas get a better return from the Marlins Finish a proposed trade to the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: Career OPS .799 against RHP Playing half his games in a hot hitters park too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 hmm, lotta stuff not to like in here https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/nomar-mazara-608577?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: His career wRC+ against RHP is 103, so he's slightly above an average hitter against righties on his career. That doesn't fit my definition of "Very productive". Career? He’s 24 years old. His wRC+ last year against RHP was 110. I take development into account. Just like I would Moncada and other young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Morosi just listed the Giants and White Sox as suitors for Castellanos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 o'clock out there. Night is young, at least for them, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: Career OPS .799 against RHP If he was a premium defender, it would make a lot of sense...of course, the Rangers SHOULDN'T so easily be willing to give up on a prospect they developed as they are/were heading into a brand-new facility. It would be like the White Sox dealing Avi before 2017 for pennies on the dollar. Of course, in that situation, he actually did have ONE breakout season in him. Everyone would have said Hahn was a complete idiot for giving him up for nothing when he was about to realize his full potential. But after 2018, everyone was back to giving up on him again. Edited December 11, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: Career? He’s 24 years old. His wRC+ last year against RHP was 110. I take development into account. Just like I would Moncada and other young players. Supported by a higher BABIP against righties than he's had in any other season in his career, which is a risk any time you select out half a season worth of plate appearancnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 More Mazara fluff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, bmags said: hmm, lotta stuff not to like in here https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/nomar-mazara-608577?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb Other than a couple of areas, he favors Tim Anderson in alot of ways. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tim-anderson-641313?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, bmags said: hmm, lotta stuff not to like in here https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/nomar-mazara-608577?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb There really are some similarities here:https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jorge-soler-624585?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb Soler started making more good contact and using his strength. Mazara can kill a baseball but appears to make a lot of weak contact. It's a risk in both time and resources, but you can see why someone could think they can make that talent work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: What’s a bad deal? We don’t even know what the deal is. If platooned with someone who hits LHP, it could potentially work. Giving up anything of value for this guy when he’s simply been meh and is a free agent in 2 years, does nothing to push you into your contending window and will cost you your 2018 2nd round pick if the rumors are true. Terrible in just about every aspect other than he fills a position of need and is a left handed bat. Underwhelming acquisition at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, SoxAce said: Other than a couple of areas, he favors Tim Anderson in alot of ways. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tim-anderson-641313?stats=career-r-hitting-mlb His avg. exit velocity reminded me a lot of tims. Swings a lot, lot of up the middle. Menechino can fix him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: White Sox offer Madison Bumgarner 4 years and $90 million to drive up the price for the Twins, believing that they'll be willing to top it up to $100 million and hamstring themselves financially for the next 2-3 years. Congrats, White Sox, you just overpaid for a #4 starter and made it easier for the Twins over the next 3-4 years of overlapping contention windows. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: Giving up anything of value for this guy when he’s simply been meh and is a free agent in 2 years, does nothing to push you into your contending window and will cost you your 2018 2nd round pick if the rumors are true. Terrible in just about every aspect other than he fills a position of need and is a left handed bat. Underwhelming acquisition at best I agree but let’s see what the deal is. What’s anything of value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Supported by a higher BABIP against righties than he's had in any other season in his career, which is a risk any time you select out half a season worth of plate appearancnes. Again I ask, career? His 2019 plate appearances account for over 20% of his career plate appearances. He’s 24. Let’s not hyperventilate here folks. Depending on what the Sox give up, the deal can be more than fine and productive for the Sox. Edited December 11, 2019 by Stealth G.O.A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Had Kenny showed up on Sunday and not Monday afternoon, we'd have some good deals done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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