Vote4Pedro Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: Against I ask, career? His 2019 platE appearances account for over 20% of his career plate appearances. He’s 24. Let’s not hyperventilate here folks. Depending on what the Sox give up, the deal can be more than fine and productive for the Sox. Best case scenario he explodes and walks in free agency 2 years from now, yet once again doing nothing for the window of contention, why that is so hard to understand I don’t know. When you can sign a for sure thing offensively and have them for the majority of your contention window without having to give up anything? The move makes no sense unless you are trying to be cute and save some money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: Against I ask, career? His 2019 plate appearances account for over 20% of his career plate appearances. He’s 24. Let’s not hyperventilate here folks. Depending on what the Sox give up, the deal can be more than fine and productive for the Sox. I have no idea what this means. Every other year of his career, his BABIP against RHP has been close to .300. In 2019, it was .340, in an injury shortened season, and half a season of PAs can easily produce anomalies like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Huh? I'm just laughing about the storyline that Hahn's doing his good buddy Daniels a solid by driving up the return the Marlins are going to have to surrender to acquire Mazara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Orlando said: Morosi just listed the Giants and White Sox as suitors for Castellanos Where did you see this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: I agree but let’s see what the deal is. What’s anything of value? I don’t see the fit regardless of player’s position and being a left handed hitter, his stats are underwhelming and anything other than a fringe prospect would be an overpayment. I would rather take the wait and see approach then bring him in and give up a decent prospect for a guy who you won’t control for any real length of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: Best case scenario he explodes and walks in free agency 2 years from now, yet once again doing nothing for the window of contention, why that is so hard to understand I don’t know. When you can sign a for sure thing offensively and have them for the majority of your contention window without having to give up anything? The move makes no sense unless you are trying to be cute and save some money It's not even saving that much money because he's in his last two arbitration years. They wouldn't lose a draft pick, but let's say he has a great 2020 but the White Sox miss the playoffs...his arbitration number is well over $10 million and they're carrying a player on the roster who will bolt for FA. Getting a draft pick back in 2022 won't do much of anything for the contention window. Best case scenario, he takes off like Carlos Quentin in 2008 and they deal him for a huge return...but that's, once again, not really helping the contention window, and nobody's going to give up a a lot of talent until he proves he can sustain it for more than one season (see Avi Garcia.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuagman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Credit to @crazedrat1: Career per 162: Nomar Mazara, 25, L/L .261 24 93 .320 .435 .754 2 years team control Nicholas Castellanos, 28, R/R .277 22 84 .326 .471 .797 Seeking 4 to 5 years 18 to 20mm per LF Marcell Ozuna, 29, R/R .272 26 94 .329 .455 .784 3 to 4 yr @ 15mm to 18mm per i don’t get why everyone is freaking out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Get Nimmo instead... https://mobile.twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1204595376201715712 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Get Nimmo instead... https://mobile.twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1204595376201715712 Finally some confirmation. They had to move someone from that OF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Fuagman said: Credit to @crazedrat1: Career per 162: Nomar Mazara, 25, L/L .261 24 93 .320 .435 .754 2 years team control Nicholas Castellanos, 28, R/R .277 22 84 .326 .471 .797 Seeking 4 to 5 years 18 to 20mm per LF Marcell Ozuna, 29, R/R .272 26 94 .329 .455 .784 3 to 4 yr @ 15mm to 18mm per i don’t get why everyone is freaking out I like him for, but not for Steele Walker. Basabe, Adolfo, Rutherford ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Get Nimmo instead... https://mobile.twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1204595376201715712 3 team trade with Mets and Pirates with Sox getting Nimmo, Mets get Marte and Pirates get good prospects 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fuagman said: Credit to @crazedrat1: Career per 162: Nomar Mazara, 25, L/L .261 24 93 .320 .435 .754 2 years team control Nicholas Castellanos, 28, R/R .277 22 84 .326 .471 .797 Seeking 4 to 5 years 18 to 20mm per LF Marcell Ozuna, 29, R/R .272 26 94 .329 .455 .784 3 to 4 yr @ 15mm to 18mm per i don’t get why everyone is freaking out What are those Castellanos numbers? edit: oh gtfo with career/162 numbers. Castellanos has averaged 20% better than average offense the last 4 years, nobody is going to hamstring him for his terrible first year, and subsequent two years that looked like Nomar Mazara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: Finally some confirmation. They had to move someone from that OF But it sounds like it is to try and get Marte. That's a nice piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, fathom said: 3 team trade with Mets and Pirates with Sox getting Nimmo, Mets get Marte and Pirates get good prospects They have Marisnick they don't need any more OFs. They have like 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Get Nimmo instead... https://mobile.twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1204595376201715712 Yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: 3 team trade with Mets and Pirates with Sox getting Nimmo, Mets get Marte and Pirates get good prospects Boom bam done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: Best case scenario he explodes and walks in free agency 2 years from now, yet once again doing nothing for the window of contention, why that is so hard to understand I don’t know. When you can sign a for sure thing offensively and have them for the majority of your contention window without having to give up anything? The move makes no sense unless you are trying to be cute and save some money There aren’t sure things in free agency. I can appreciate their position. It all boils down to what they have to give up. There’s a lot of upside. Especially if used properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: They have Marisnick they don't need any more OFs. They have like 6 The rumor is the Mets want Marte, and would be willing to move Nimmo for him. Why? I don’t know. I would just keep Nimmo. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 That blog maybe someone needs to text it to Hahn and tell him to stay away from the bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: They have Marisnick they don't need any more OFs. They have like 6 Eh if they can make it work I'm not sure they'll say "oh no we have jake marisnick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I have no idea what this means. Every other year of his career, his BABIP against RHP has been close to .300. In 2019, it was .340, in an injury shortened season, and half a season of PAs can easily produce anomalies like that. It was edited to read “Again”. 2019 is over 20% of his career plate appearances. He’s 24. I see development and more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: I don’t see the fit regardless of player’s position and being a left handed hitter, his stats are underwhelming and anything other than a fringe prospect would be an overpayment. I would rather take the wait and see approach then bring him in and give up a decent prospect for a guy who you won’t control for any real length of time I’m not opposed to that either. I just wouldn’t flip out over this player. Especially since we don’t know the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, bmags said: Eh if they can make it work I'm not sure they'll say "oh no we have jake marisnick" Yep, he’s a good fourth outfielder. Nothing more. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: It was edited to read “Again”. 2019 is over 20% of his career plate appearances. He’s 24. I see development and more upside. And I see development and upside in many of the players that we could give away, and a history of dramatically overpaying for veterans in trades, and free agency 2 years away even if Mazara turns out to develop. If we get him at a reasonable cost I won't complain, but it has to literally be a pittance given his contract status. Trust for a GM is earned, not given away, and this GM has taught me well not to trust his judgment at all when it comes to trading for big leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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