JuliusO1274 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, almagest said: I think people should look at this move separate from spending more money. There was no real right fielder available besides Calhoun. Castellanos and Ozuna would likely be worse than Mazara out there, and Calhoun's career offensive numbers are close to Mazara's. It is not even comparable. Ozuna is a far better player even if you assume his defense would be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Personally, I think it was Maddon didn't play the lineups theo told him to. Ross will not be making the lineups. I probably didn’t word it right but I think I agree with you. Theo’s lineups are based on the Cubs analytics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers. I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly. Ricky is usually criticized for sticking with the lefty-righty matchups too often, so I don't think that will play too much of factor. But I get wanting to get young players adept at hitting both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers. I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly. Gabe Kapler said something yesterday that should really resonate with fans regarding a full on analytic based decision making. They asked Kapler what the one major change he would make in his second go around as manager and do you know what he said? He said he's going to remember that these are people whose production relies heavily on confidence. Every time you pinch hit a player for another in a situation that gives you a small edge, you need to remember that there is a player being removed from the game as well; being told he's not good enough. That has an effect on players, even if people want to say "shut up and do your job." These are still human beings, and to hear Kapler (who is one of the most stat-forward managers and people in baseball) say that was very telling. He said if the reward for the swap is small, you're better off not harming the confidence of a player. Also he said players aren't always what they once were, and when you don't give them a chance to change that, they become stuck in their ways and start to tell themselves that they had no chance and there's no point on working on improving. I feel the exact same way as Kapler. Edited December 11, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The Sox are one batter short on offense. Relying on Nomar to hit LHP or McCann to DH or Collins do anything at all is foolish IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: There’s a reason Theo just let Maddon go for Ross. He wants Ross to make the lineups based on analytics and worry about managing the in-game decisions. What? They let him go because they have massively underperformed based on the team THEO put together and they needed a scapegoat. Please don't overthink that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Chisoxmb35 said: What? They let him go because they have massively underperformed based on the team THEO put together and they needed a scapegoat. Please don't overthink that one. There is pretty good chatter that it was really more about the relationship than the actual record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Duh. Go get something done now Rick and prove everyone wrong for once in your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 This sounds different than the previous tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1204838712514764800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, fathom said: The Sox are one batter short on offense. Relying on Nomar to hit LHP or McCann to DH or Collins do anything at all is foolish IMO. I think that is what Hahn is hinting at with his latest comments... https://mobile.twitter.com/SBekovic/status/1204843770111504385 They are going to add a right-handed bench outfielder. I believe you already predicted Souza. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, ptatc said: There is pretty good chatter that it was really more about the relationship than the actual record. And that they thought he wasn’t preparing his players well enough with pregame stuff, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Duh. Go get something done now Rick and prove everyone wrong for once in your life. Here's the second part to that, but agreed. Finish the damn job Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliusO1274 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, turnin' two said: I wasn't a huge Walker guy to start, but I don't get all the hate for this move. Could the Sox have done better? Sure. But I don't think this is terrible. At very worst they got a 2 year stop gap that is at least a major leaguer. We already have stop gaps to play RF with Engel and Leury, we don't need another one. It was time to get a good player to truly improve the team and they failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: This sounds different than the previous tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1204838712514764800 It does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I still think they should have done better than Mazara but I agree with you there. If they don’t add a couple legit starting pitching options and some relief help, this offseason will be a failure. Can we just ignore your other 25 posts regarding Mazara and like this more reasonable one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Have you seen the Bulls I have not. Judging by the 10k crowd the other night, most people haven't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: This sounds different than the previous tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1204838712514764800 Good comments from Ricky then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, fathom said: And that they thought he wasn’t preparing his players well enough with pregame stuff, etc The way that theo wanted him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Sleepy Harold said: Well, I would because it's a completely shit trade that does nothing to propel this team forward and is completely on point with how this FO has operated in the past. Unless they are adding an actual above replacement level RF and mitigating Mazara to a depth roll he can fuck off ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: There is pretty good chatter that it was really more about the relationship than the actual record. Do you not agree then, that the relationship working out if the record were better? It all points to the roster decisions that got them into said situation in the first place. Theo was the the issue, but you know.. he isn't going to fire himself. Edited December 11, 2019 by Chisoxmb35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can we just ignore your other 25 posts regarding Mazara and like this more reasonable one ? No, because there still was no reason the Sox couldn’t do better than Mazara and I’m sticking to that. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: This sounds different than the previous tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1204838712514764800 They aren't going to pigeon hole the guy and tell him he's not good enough at something right when they want to acquire him. You can not tell a player to work on getting better in an area if you aren't going to give them the opportunity to show what they've done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Fine. Go get Rendon or Price/JDM and I'll understand saving money on RF. But if all he does is sign Keuchel or Ryu, well, the Sox absolutely could have afforded a better free agent RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: It is not even comparable. Ozuna is a far better player even if you assume his defense would be worse. He was 10 points better in OPS+ and his defense was bad in LF. In RF it would be even worse. I don't buy it. Edited December 11, 2019 by almagest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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