Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

[Jack Parkman]

1 hour ago, pcq said:

MLBN with a wow feature on Nomar. Had a good second half quieting his swing and compared his stats and approach with King Harold age 24. We may have the perfect mentor on hand for this lad.

Link?

[Rooftop Shots]

2 hours ago, pcq said:

MLBN with a wow feature on Nomar. Had a good second half quieting his swing and compared his stats and approach with King Harold age 24. We may have the perfect mentor on hand for this lad.

I don't have a link, but I did see it also.  The piece was done by Verducci. He also showed clips as to WHY Nomar was better in the second half because  he was cutting down on a lot of unnecessary movable mechanics. He says if he could get them cut down even more so as to improve his timing , and get it more consistent,  that we may REALLY HAVE SOMETHING.  He said that he REALLY  likes this move for The Sox. He also said that he has what would be called  "stupid power"   and showed  the 500 footer  that he hit against us this year. Even Joey Gallo said in an interview  that in batting practice, that he was putting balls on the roof.  WHO KNOWS?   If they can cut down his mechanics, shorten his swing  and harness his power, we may have something. Certainly worth a shot when only giving up a AA player  when we already have 4 other minor league outfielders that are  ahead of Walker in their progressions 

[Jack Parkman]

7 minutes ago, Rooftop Shots said:

I don't have a link, but I did see it also.  The piece was done by Verducci. He also showed clips as to WHY Nomar was better in the second half because  he was cutting down on a lot of unnecessary movable mechanics. He says if he could get them cut down even more so as to improve his timing , and get it more consistent,  that we may REALLY HAVE SOMETHING.  He said that he REALLY  likes this move for The Sox. He also said that he has what would be called  "stupid power"   and showed  the 500 footer  that he hit against us this year. Even Joey Gallo said in an interview  that in batting practice, that he was putting balls on the roof.  WHO KNOWS?   If they can cut down his mechanics, shorten his swing  and harness his power, we may have something. Certainly worth a shot when only giving up a AA player  when we already have 4 other minor league outfielders that are  ahead of Walker in their progressions 

I want to see this video. Where can I find it? 

[Quin]

36 minutes ago, Rooftop Shots said:

I don't have a link, but I did see it also.  The piece was done by Verducci. He also showed clips as to WHY Nomar was better in the second half because  he was cutting down on a lot of unnecessary movable mechanics. He says if he could get them cut down even more so as to improve his timing , and get it more consistent,  that we may REALLY HAVE SOMETHING.  He said that he REALLY  likes this move for The Sox. He also said that he has what would be called  "stupid power"   and showed  the 500 footer  that he hit against us this year. Even Joey Gallo said in an interview  that in batting practice, that he was putting balls on the roof.  WHO KNOWS?   If they can cut down his mechanics, shorten his swing  and harness his power, we may have something. Certainly worth a shot when only giving up a AA player  when we already have 4 other minor league outfielders that are  ahead of Walker in their progressions 

This is a refreshing positive take.

Maybe Menechino does whatever he did with Marcella Ozuna and suddenly the Sox get two years to decide to extend a Mazara who realized his potential, or maybe one of the minor league outfielders breaks out. 

To spare people looking up the numbers, Nomar's second half splits were .287/.320/.859. I'd certainly take that with his power. Now he gets The Cell and LOOGYs are gone. This is the most positive take possible and doesn't address that you'd like more walks out of the guy, but hey, it's nice to look on the bright side occasionally.

[Dick Allen]

25 minutes ago, Quin said:

This is a refreshing positive take.

Maybe Menechino does whatever he did with Marcella Ozuna and suddenly the Sox get two years to decide to extend a Mazara who realized his potential, or maybe one of the minor league outfielders breaks out. 

To spare people looking up the numbers, Nomar's second half splits were .287/.320/.859. I'd certainly take that with his power. Now he gets The Cell and LOOGYs are gone. This is the most positive take possible and doesn't address that you'd like more walks out of the guy, but hey, it's nice to look on the bright side occasionally.

The thing I liked was he gets burned on advanced stats probably because he played in Arlington, but his home road splits are really similar. What his numbers have been really could be a floor. And as awful as people want to make them, they really aren’t all that bad. Lifetime, he is a .754 OPS which isn’t awful for a 24 year old. He averages 24 homers per 162. Whether he improves , who really knows, but the talent is there. 

[KopechThrowsHeat]

https://www.mlb.com/video/it-best-under-the-radar-move?t=mlb-network

 

 

it looks like this is when the clip happens, but the clip is too short and it doesn't dive into his swing 

[Rooftop Shots]

3 minutes ago, KopechThrowsHeat said:

https://www.mlb.com/video/it-best-under-the-radar-move?t=mlb-network

 

 

it looks like this is when the clip happens, but the clip is too short and it doesn't dive into his swing 

This wasn't the clip that I saw. The clip that I saw that showed  his swing and parallel to Harold was when Verducci was sitting on the high stools  in the MLB Studio with 2 other guys.  Sorry... don't have a link.  It was on yesterday  Friday December 13th   

[pcq]

Just now, Quin said:

This is a refreshing positive take.

Maybe Menechino does whatever he did with Marcella Ozuna and suddenly the Sox get two years to decide to extend a Mazara who realized his potential, or maybe one of the minor league outfielders breaks out. 

To spare people looking up the numbers, Nomar's second half splits were .287/.320/.859. I'd certainly take that with his power. Now he gets The Cell and LOOGYs are gone. This is the most positive take possible and doesn't address that you'd like more walks out of the guy, but hey, it's nice to look on the bright side occasionally.

Given his natural power there is no reason he cannot focus more on contact and still hit home runs. You may have a point with the lefties and I had only considered the pitching perspective. Guys like Nomar are not going to see relief specialists as often. Just a little Koolaid appetizer. 

[Quin]

9 minutes ago, pcq said:

Given his natural power there is no reason he cannot focus more on contact and still hit home runs. You may have a point with the lefties and I had only considered the pitching perspective. Guys like Nomar are not going to see relief specialists as often. Just a little Koolaid appetizer. 

It was a point I think Andrew Friedman made, so sadly I can't take credit.

[poppysox]

1 hour ago, pcq said:

Given his natural power there is no reason he cannot focus more on contact and still hit home runs. You may have a point with the lefties and I had only considered the pitching perspective. Guys like Nomar are not going to see relief specialists as often. Just a little Koolaid appetizer. 

I am looking forward to seeing Nomar.  He seems like a good gamble considering how imperfect some of the more established candidates were.

[Jack Parkman]

41 minutes ago, poppysox said:

I am looking forward to seeing Nomar.  He seems like a good gamble considering how imperfect some of the more established candidates were.

Yeah, given that he's no longer with Boras, there is hope of him re-signing if he figures it out. That makes a huge difference. 

Edited December 14, 2019 by Jack Parkman

[poppysox]

17 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Yeah, given that he's no longer with Boras, there is hope of him re-signing if he figures it out. That makes a huge difference. 

I like that he is a real right fielder with gigantic power.  Kind of nice that Ranger fans don't like the trade.

[bmags]

I think the best thing we could hear is Mazara headed to AZ this winter to work with Menechino. Unlocking him really is just about approach and we had such great success with Moncada last year.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

19 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

I want to see this video. Where can I find it? 

I don't think this is the video because guys like Verducci will appear on MLBN all day and often talk about the same subject. This appears to be a short version of what everyone is taking about.

 

[EloyJenkins]

A diamond in the rough deal goes a LONG way toward building a contender. You get 3-4 of them and you win 102 games like the Twins last year. Engel to me is the real important part. IF he continues raking against lefties, that platoon will be 3+ WAR between the 2 of them. I wish Mazara had OBP to go with power, but buried in the 7 or 8 hole should be okay I guess. No more LOOGY's really is going to make a big deal for innings 6-9 going forward, and I am interested to see how Nomar reacts to a change of scenery. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

22 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

A diamond in the rough deal goes a LONG way toward building a contender. You get 3-4 of them and you win 102 games like the Twins last year. Engel to me is the real important part. IF he continues raking against lefties, that platoon will be 3+ WAR between the 2 of them. I wish Mazara had OBP to go with power, but buried in the 7 or 8 hole should be okay I guess. No more LOOGY's really is going to make a big deal for innings 6-9 going forward, and I am interested to see how Nomar reacts to a change of scenery. 

We all know JD Martinez had difficulties too . He didn't break out till he was 26.

He started out with the idea that he couldn't believe other guys were so much better than him. He studied his own swing and studied the swings of guys like Trout , Pujols, Miggy (all RH like him) and said my swing doesn't look like those guys swings. Then he proceeded to revamp his swing and tried it out in Venezuelan winter ball and couldn't believe how he started hitting in a way he had never hit before.

 

[oldsox]

20 hours ago, Quin said:

This is a refreshing positive take.

Maybe Menechino does whatever he did with Marcella Ozuna and suddenly the Sox get two years to decide to extend a Mazara who realized his potential, or maybe one of the minor league outfielders breaks out. 

To spare people looking up the numbers, Nomar's second half splits were .287/.320/.859. I'd certainly take that with his power. Now he gets The Cell and LOOGYs are gone. This is the most positive take possible and doesn't address that you'd like more walks out of the guy, but hey, it's nice to look on the bright side occasionally.

Good post.  Thanks.  Convinced me to like the trade.

[SoxAce]

 

[bschmaranz]

18 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

 

Good find.  I was searching for it everywhere to post for y'all.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

8 hours ago, SoxAce said:

 

This is a really nice video clip. Has me a little more excited. 

[bmags]

8 hours ago, SoxAce said:

 

Awesome, that was great. Verducci is so good too, what a find.

[tray]

There has been a lot said here  about Castellanos not being a decent RF in terms of  his D, I wonder how Mazara will do for us in RF. Our fans tend to be pretty unforgiving  when a player makes a few errors or misplays.

Edited December 19, 2019 by tray

[SoxAce]

I'll add this in here too.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/nomar-mazara-excited-opportunity-white-sox-change-always-good-everybody

[soxfan49]

I was already told he sucks 

[Soxnfins]

25 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

I was already told he sucks 

against LHP for sure, RHP he can somewhat mash.