Sox acquire Nomar Mazara for Steele Walker

[mqr]

 

This has been me for about twelve hours now

Edited December 11, 2019 by mqr

[shakes]

35 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Are you assuming that none of the Sox OF from the minors will be good MLB OF in 2 years?

Remove Robert, and they sent what some think is the likeliest prospect to replace him to the Rangers. Doesn't help their odds.

None of the OF prospects should be penciled into RF in two years. That's a bad plan. 

 

[RTC]

8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sox are at $86M today with all guaranteed contracts including Mazara and other arb guys at their estimates and 15 guys making $600k.

This counts Abreu at the $12.6M, so with the signing bonus spread amongst the three years.  

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/

Similar at Cots.  They have them at $84M, which includes Mazara and est. $8.6M for the pre-arb guys.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQvElKAgm9uyseKLJEGXetnIxljCwEixOmMhSzhEXUan5IOuYnLcJG-bjolPjCtc6q0x6HPrNXJ7Zv7/pubhtml

#unprecedentedfinancialflexibility 

[ptatc]

6 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I still think they should have done better than Mazara but I agree with you there.

If they don’t add a couple legit starting pitching options and some relief help, this offseason will be a failure.

I agree that they need to add a starting pitcher but I'm sure we will disagree on who that is. ?

[Moan4Yoan]

1 minute ago, ptatc said:

I agree that they need to add a starting pitcher but I'm sure we will disagree on who that is. ?

Who do you want?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

With 24 players on the roster that would be expected to break with the team (+ Kopech) right now, the White Sox payroll is:

 

$84,535,499

 

 

Yasmani Grandal	31	C	Vet		$18,250,000	-	$18,250,000	$18,250,000	23.41	########
Jose Abreu	33	DH	Vet		$11,000,000	$1,666,666	$12,666,666	$12,666,666	16.25	########
Alex Colome	31	RP/CL	Arb 3		$10,300,000	-	$10,300,000	$10,300,000	13.21	########
Kelvin Herrera	30	RP	Vet		$8,500,000	-	$8,500,000	$8,500,000	10.9	9,000,000
Nomar Mazara	25	RF	Arb 2	3	$5,700,000	-	$5,700,000	$5,700,000	7.31	5,700,000
James McCann	30	C	Arb 3		$5,400,000	-	$5,400,000	$5,400,000	6.93	5,400,000
Carlos Rodon	27	SP	Arb 3	3	$4,500,000	-	$4,500,000	$4,500,000	5.77	4,500,000
Tim Anderson	27	SS	Pre-Arb	3	$4,000,000	-	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	5.13	4,166,667
Leury Garcia	29	CF	Arb 3		$4,000,000	-	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	5.13	4,000,000
Eloy Jimenez	23	OF	Pre-Arb	2	$1,500,000	$833,333	$2,333,333	$2,333,333	2.99	7,166,667
Evan Marshall	30	RP	Arb 1	1	$1,300,000	-	$1,300,000	$1,300,000	1.67	1,300,000
Aaron Bummer	26	RP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Dylan Cease	24	SP	Pre-Arb	2	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Zack Collins	25	C	Pre-Arb	2	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Jimmy Cordero	28	RP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Dylan Covey	28	SP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Adam Engel	28	CF	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Jace Fry	26	RP	Pre-Arb	2	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Carson Fulmer	26	RP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Lucas Giolito	25	SP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Michael Kopech	24	SP	Pre-Arb	3	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Reynaldo Lopez	26	SP	Pre-Arb	1	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Danny Mendick	26	SS	Pre-Arb	3	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
Yoan Moncada	25	2B	Pre-Arb	2	-	-	-	583,500	0	583,500
								$84,535,499

[ptatc]

Just now, Moan4Yoan said:

Who do you want?

Keuchal.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Add Robert to the above group to make 25 men, and you are looking at 85 million even.

If the Sox had plans to spend 120-130 million for payroll this year, they have 45 million to spend. That honestly could be Rendon + a starter.

[SonofaRoache]

 

 

[Moan4Yoan]

3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Keuchal.

Agreed, if David Price is out of range to take on in terms of talent and money I would be fine with Keuchel.

I would also be fine with Ryu.  I don’t think Bumgarner would be the greatest fit and will likely be overpaid so he’s already out of the Sox comfort range but I wouldn’t complain.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Scott Merkin

@scottmerkin

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49s

Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well

 

This fucking guy. ?

I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Agreed, if Price is out of range to take on in terms of talent and money.

But I would be good with Ryu.  I don’t think Bumgarner would be the greatest fit and will likely be overpaid so he’s already out of the Sox comfort range but I wouldn’t complain.

I have always felt that was about a 1% chance Bumgarner went to the AL, but we'll see. He is worth more in the NL, imo.

[Moan4Yoan]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Scott Merkin

@scottmerkin

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49s

Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well

 

This fucking guy. ?

I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. 

Ricky gonna Ricky.  It’s obvious we need a new manager.  This guy could ruin any slim chance the Sox have to win.

[chitownsportsfan]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Scott Merkin

@scottmerkin

·

49s

Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well

 

This fucking guy. ?

I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. 

So it begins.  Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive.  Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick.  

 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Ricky gonna Ricky.  It’s obvious we need a new manager.  This guy could ruin any slim chance the Sox have to win.

Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title.

Managers matter so little, and I actually think a managers job is more-so to get great effort and clubhouse culture; Ricky does a fine job there.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[mqr]

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title.

Yost?

[SonofaRoache]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Scott Merkin

@scottmerkin

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49s

Renteria said Mazara would be the primary right fielder. Could explore platoon opportunities at times but wants to get Mazara going against lefties as well

 

This fucking guy. ?

I get not wanting to give up on any hope that he'd hit lefties, and he's certainly fared much better vs lefties than Joc but please stop talking Ricky. Thanks. 

I just didn't think this organization was this incompetent, but it appears that I and many others were wrong. 

[Moan4Yoan]

Just now, chitownsportsfan said:

So it begins.  Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive.  Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick.  

 

There’s a reason Theo just let Maddon go for Ross.  He wants Ross to make the lineups based on analytics and worry about managing the in-game decisions.

[fathom]

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

So it begins.  Among a litany of other problems with the FO the disconnect between what Hahn wants to build and what Rickie wants to trot out there any given day is massive.  Get on the same fucking page with your manager Rick.  

 

If Hahn told Ricky that Mazara is a platoon player, Ricky would listen. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Just now, mqr said:

Yost?

Yessir. 

I'm not sure I've ever seen a buffoon of a manager/coach quite like Yost in any sport really. Bevington definitely gives him a run for his money though.

[fathom]

1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said:

I just didn't think this organization was this incompetent, but it appears that I and many others were wrong. 

Have you seen the Bulls

[chitownsportsfan]

Just now, fathom said:

If Hahn told Ricky that Mazara is a platoon player, Ricky would listen. 

yea but what indications do we have that he will?  Hahn has never indicated as such.

[ptatc]

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

There’s a reason Theo just let Maddon go for Ross.  He wants Ross to make the lineups based on analytics and worry about managing the in-game decisions.

Personally,  I think it was Maddon didn't play the lineups theo told him to. Ross will not be making the lineups.

[Moan4Yoan]

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Me and you will never ever see eye to eye on this or on the value of a manager. The worst strategic manager in the last 40 years of baseball has a World Series title.

Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers.  I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly.  Instead, Ricky starts swearing when a reporter brings up analytics.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan

[chitownsportsfan]

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Lefty hitters usually struggle against lefty pitchers.  I would like a manager that acknowledges this, factors in analytics, and creates his lineup accordingly.  Instead, Ricky starts swearing when a reporter brings up analytics.

yea but have you had his huevos rancheros?  The pico is home made and amazing.