Moan4Yoan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: If (and big if) the Sox signed Ryu and say Walker or Wood...they're very much in the mix to win 82-88 games, which very well could be enough to win this division. No way the Twins repeat their miracle 2020 season, the Indians are likely to tear it apart, and the Tigers and Royals are two of the worst teams in baseball. We all knew 2020 was probably a pipedream to be a WS contender, so not sure why the last 10 days changed that, unless your opinion of the Grandal signing was that the Sox were going to follow that up by completely emptying the clip at the WM. Which was also a pipedream. But I will never convince you to view anything White Sox related in anything other than a pessimistic lens, so I don't know why I bother responding. Why should signing Ryu and Walker/Wood even be a “big if”?!? Edited December 13, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, mqr said: Wanna bet? Why would I want to bet in favor of something I hope does not come to fruition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Do you guys really think Reinsdorf will pay the $250M+ it'll take to keep Moncada and the $250M+ it'll take to keep Giolito? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, chetkincaid said: Do you guys really think Reinsdorf will pay the $250M+ it'll take to keep Moncada and the $250M+ it'll take to keep Giolito? He offered $250M for Machado, so yeah, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, chetkincaid said: Do you guys really think Reinsdorf will pay the $250M+ it'll take to keep Moncada and the $250M+ it'll take to keep Giolito? No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Do you guys really think Reinsdorf will pay the $250M+ it'll take to keep Moncada and the $250M+ it'll take to keep Giolito? Both have had one good year.... Let's not get ahead of ourselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said: It's fucking December 13th. My god, some of you people are miserable. I’ve given this organization the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I’d like to think I am one of the more optimistic posters on this site. But it’s ridiculous. This team has a gaping hole in the pitching department and has done absolutely nothing to address it this offseason. Why are they not signing ANY of the top free agent options? We went from debating about whether guys like Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler are “worth the money” to justifying settling for scrap heaps like Alex Wood and Wade Miley again. What gives? How did we get here? Edited December 13, 2019 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’ve given this organization the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I’d like to think I am one of the more optimistic posters on this site. But it’s ridiculous. This team has a gaping hole in the pitching department and has done absolutely nothing to address it this offseason. Why are they not signing ANY of the top free agent options? We went from debating about whether guys like Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler are “worth the money” to justifying settling for scrap heaps like Alex Wood and Wade Miley again. What gives? How did we get here? You basically just declared the rebuild dead and suggested they should start all over and trade their elite talent they acquired. I'm not sure I would classify you as "one of the more optimistic posters." In fact, you're less optimistic about this rebuild than Moan4Yoan which is really tough to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’ve given this organization the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I’d like to think I am one of the more optimistic posters on this site. But it’s ridiculous. This team has a gaping hole in the pitching department and has done absolutely nothing to address it this offseason. Why are they not signing ANY of the top free agent options? We went from debating about whether guys like Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler are “worth the money” to justifying settling for scrap heaps like Alex Wood and Wade Miley again. What gives? How did we get here? And you may find yourself Living in a shotgun shack And you may find yourself In another part of the world And you may find yourself Behind the wheel of a large automobile And you may find yourself in a beautiful house With a beautiful wife And you may ask yourself, well How did I get here? Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground And you may ask yourself How do I work this? And you may ask yourself Where is that large automobile? And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful house! And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful wife ! Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Same as it ever was Edited December 13, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’ve given this organization the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I’d like to think I am one of the more optimistic posters on this site. But it’s ridiculous. This team has a gaping hole in the pitching department and has done absolutely nothing to address it this offseason. Why are they not signing ANY of the top free agent options? We went from debating about whether guys like Cole, Strasbourg or Wheeler are “worth the money” to justifying settling for scrap heaps like Alex Wood and Wade Miley again. What gives? How did we get here? This is no doubt true. I remember arguing about last year’s offseason with you. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Both have had one good year.... Let's not get ahead of ourselves. If your argument is "Moncada and Giolito aren't really that good", then you're telling me that we really don't have any hope of playoff appearances any time soon. Even I won't go that far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’ve given this organization the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I’d like to think I am one of the more optimistic posters on this site. But it’s ridiculous. This team has a gaping hole in the pitching department and has done absolutely nothing to address it this offseason. Why are they not signing ANY of the top free agent options? We went from debating about whether guys like Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler are “worth the money” to justifying settling for scrap heaps like Alex Wood and Wade Miley again. What gives? How did we get here? Again, it's December 13th. Trade for David Price and then sign a 1 year guy. Not that hard. Let's see if they can make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, GGajewski18 said: Again, it's December 13th. Trade for David Price and then sign a 1 year guy. Not that hard. Let's see if they can make it happen. Easier said than done, otherwise Price would be with a new team by now. Signing a one year guy should be easy though, if Hahn shows any interest in doing so anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: And you may find yourself Living in a shotgun shack And you may find yourself In another part of the world And you may find yourself Behind the wheel of a large automobile And you may find yourself in a beautiful house With a beautiful wife And you may ask yourself, well How did I get here? Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down Letting the days go by, water flowing underground Into the blue again after the money's gone Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground And you may ask yourself How do I work this? And you may ask yourself Where is that large automobile? And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful house! And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful wife! Same as it ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, chetkincaid said: Same as it ever was. Ha i was just editing it to include that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Easier said than done, otherwise Price would be with a new team by now. Signing a one year guy should be easy though, if Hahn shows any interest in doing so anytime soon. The more I think about it, I'm not sure if I even want an aging David Price on the Sox. We would be stuck with three seasons of him at a likely substantial cost, why make that our problem? There are bargain bin players available that are younger and cheaper that could give us similar production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I bet we could have gotten a boatload for Moncada... probably a young stud MLB outfielder and some cheap pitching. Make Gio available at the deadline since we won't be able to pay them. Keep recycling talent for younger, cheaper talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Ha i was just editing it to include that. *Chops arm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, chetkincaid said: *Chops arm* Next up Burnin' Down the House ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, steveno89 said: The more I think about it, I'm not sure if I even want an aging David Price on the Sox. We would be stuck with three seasons of him at a likely substantial cost, why make that our problem? There are bargain bin players available that are younger and cheaper that could give us similar production. To grab a player we otherwise have no chance of getting for just the price of taking on much of Price's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, steveno89 said: The more I think about it, I'm not sure if I even want an aging David Price on the Sox. We would be stuck with three seasons of him at a likely substantial cost, why make that our problem? There are bargain bin players available that are younger and cheaper that could give us similar production. That's what I've been arguing all along. Their problem and looking for suckers to bail them out at their price because OH no pitching is so expensive. Fuck Boston. Edited December 13, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s highly unlikely the WS are a legitimate contender in 2020 based on how this offseason has transpired. It’s also become apparent that the timelines of the first wave of prospects, specifically Moncada and Giolito, do not align particularly well with the next wave of prospects and long term pieces like Eloy and Timmy, especially if 2020 is another lost season. I’m sure the fans would crucify them for this so they won’t do it BUT I’d strongly consider trading Moncada and Giolito right now while they are at peak value. If someone like Lindor can potentially fetch May and Lux from the Dodgers, what would a guy like Moncada return in his final season of pre-arb? The demand for 3b around the league is huge right now (partly why the Rockies said they would listen on Arenado). Same with Giolito (goes without saying that demand for high end starting pitcher is through the roof). Why not target high end, MLB ready prospects for those two so that they better align with the forthcoming promotions of Lubo, Madrigal, and Vaughn? Prospects I would target in trades: May, Lux, Gray (Dodgers) Adell, Marsh (Angels) Gore, Patino, Baez (Padres) Pache, Wright, Waters (Braves) I appreciate the irony of your handle and the post made. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: You basically just declared the rebuild dead and suggested they should start all over and trade their elite talent they acquired. I'm not sure I would classify you as "one of the more optimistic posters." In fact, you're less optimistic about this rebuild than Moan4Yoan which is really tough to do. Trading Moncada and Giolito does not mean the rebuild is dead. Perhaps the better term is “retool.” Call it what you will but if the team is unwilling to pay for premium free agents to address an area of glaring need (pitching!!!), then they need to build more depth through trades of their greatest assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Trading Moncada and Giolito does not mean the rebuild is dead. Perhaps the better term is “retool.” Call it what you will but if the team is unwilling to pay for premium free agents to address an area of glaring need (pitching!!!), then they need to build more depth through trades of their greatest assets. If the team is unwilling/unable to pay premium free agents then they should trade the ones they were lucky enough to find in the trade market... it's an interesting concept to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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