ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:39 PM, pcq said: Totally upsets the lineup plans. Expand No, it really doesn’t. Encarnacion is a fantastic addition at the DH spot for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBJ03 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:43 PM, soxfan49 said: "I was told" ? Expand Im at work today. Not hard to put together who I was told by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:37 PM, VAfan said: He's not gone, because EE is only a 1-2 year signing, and McCann won't last the 4 years we have Grandal. They might send him back to AAA to get more catching experience, but I can still see a small role up here, as Abreu and EE are at the age where they aren't going to play every day. Expand He will be 25 this Feb. The clock is ticking on his window to produce and it doesn't look like he is going to be offered an overwhelming amount of opportunity in the near future to do that. We shall see what happens but to me, the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:45 PM, CBJ03 said: Im at work today. Not hard to put together who I was told by. Expand Santa? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:45 PM, CBJ03 said: Im at work today. Not hard to put together who I was told by. Expand No one knows who you are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) On 12/24/2019 at 6:59 PM, Superstar Lamar said: with his track record the Sox will trade Mc Cann just so his story isn't correct Expand They should trade McCann if EE is added. He's a nice luxury to have for a year, but kind of unnecessary. Either trade him alone, or put him in a package and save some money. Collins will be fine as the back up, plus he can spell EE and Abreu vs. some righthanders. And if he isn't, it's the back up catcher. It's a waste paying McCann $5.6 million for, at most 1/3 of a season of playing time. Edited December 24, 2019 by Dick Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) On 12/24/2019 at 7:50 PM, Dick Allen said: They should trade McCann if EE is added. He's a nice luxury to have for a year, but kind of unnecessary. Either trade him alone, or put him in a package and save some money. Collins will be fine as the back up, plus he can spell EE and Abreu vs. some righthanders. And if he isn't, it's the back up catcher. It's a waste paying McCann $5.6 million for, at most 1/3 of a season. Expand Agreed. I would not give up years of control and potential in Collins to keep McCann as a backup for one year at $5.6 million. McCann could easily turn back into a Detroit pumpkin and he’s not going to be with the Sox in 2021 regardless. Edited December 24, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGetzUs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I personally do not want to see McCann go, I think him serving as Gios personal catcher is worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:52 PM, HahnsKiddieTable said: I personally do not want to see McCann go, I think him serving as Gios personal catcher is worth it. Expand He isn't going to serve as his personal catcher beyond 2020 anyway. So if Giolito's success is tied to McCann, the Sox made a grave error signing Grandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:57 PM, Dick Allen said: He isn't going to serve as his personal catcher beyond 2020 anyway. So if Giolito's success is tied to McCann, the Sox made a grave error signing Grandal. Expand With Hahn always talking about winning and long term success, it would make no sense to move Collins over McCann. Sell high on the guy and watch him put up a sub-.700 OPS with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I will be stunned if they trade McCann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:50 PM, Dick Allen said: They should trade McCann if EE is added. He's a nice luxury to have for a year, but kind of unnecessary. Either trade him alone, or put him in a package and save some money. Collins will be fine as the back up, plus he can spell EE and Abreu vs. some righthanders. And if he isn't, it's the back up catcher. It's a waste paying McCann $5.6 million for, at most 1/3 of a season of playing time. Expand I disagree here. Obviously if someone wants to give you a nice prospect for him, by all means listen. But $5.4M is nothing and it will be really nice to have McCann around. God forbid Grandal gets hurt, we have a starting caliber catcher there ready to take the load for a couple weeks. I’m not trading McCann to save $5.4M and acquire a guy that will never make it past A ball. I also don’t think Collins as the straight backup catcher makes a ton of sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:01 PM, Moan4Yoan said: With Hahn always talking about winning and long term success, it would make no sense to move Collins over McCann. Sell high on the guy and watch him put up a sub-.700 OPS with another team. Expand Let the good signing from last year live on by turning it into something else. I get he probably doesn't get you much alone, but as part of a package, he was a legit All Star last season, is a good teammate, and despite bad framing numbers, pitchers like throwing to him, so he should be a decent piece. Plus you get some financial relief to reallocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 If we sign Encarnacion to DH, I can admit that I was definitely wrong in my prediction. Figured they would rotate the DH around like in past years What's the roster number in 2020, it's more than 25 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:52 PM, HahnsKiddieTable said: I personally do not want to see McCann go, I think him serving as Gios personal catcher is worth it. Expand I couldn't care less about that. You aren't gonna bench Grandal in pivotal games or big post season games to play James. This being said, it's best that we keep him just in case injuries happen. EE will probably get hurt so he could DH, or fill in for Yas if he gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGetzUs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:57 PM, Dick Allen said: He isn't going to serve as his personal catcher beyond 2020 anyway. So if Giolito's success is tied to McCann, the Sox made a grave error signing Grandal. Expand Not saying his success is directly tied to McCann but if they have confidence in one another why fix what isn’t broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:03 PM, ChiSox59 said: I disagree here. Obviously if someone wants to give you a nice prospect for him, by all means listen. But $5.4M is nothing and it will be really nice to have McCann around. God forbid Grandal gets hurt, we have a starting caliber catcher there ready to take the load for a couple weeks. I’m not trading McCann to save $5.4M and acquire a guy that will never make it past A ball. I also don’t think Collins as the straight backup catcher makes a ton of sense. Expand If Grandal gets hurt, it's doubtful McCann saves the season, and he is goine probably no matter what at the end of the season anyway. Reallocate his funds to the bullpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) On 12/24/2019 at 7:45 PM, CBJ03 said: Im at work today. Not hard to put together who I was told by. Expand Dr. Charles Bush-Joseph White Sox Medical Staff Orthopedics. The 03 in your name is when you got hired by the White Sox Edited December 24, 2019 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:50 PM, Dick Allen said: They should trade McCann if EE is added. He's a nice luxury to have for a year, but kind of unnecessary. Either trade him alone, or put him in a package and save some money. Collins will be fine as the back up, plus he can spell EE and Abreu vs. some righthanders. And if he isn't, it's the back up catcher. It's a waste paying McCann $5.6 million for, at most 1/3 of a season of playing time. Expand And if Grandal gets hurt? That $5.6M isn't going to break the Sox budget. It's nice to have depth for once so we don't have to watch players that have no business in the major leagues filling in. Having said that, if they can get good value in return for McCann (or Collins for that matter) go ahead and trade. But it would be nice having all three around this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdsox17 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:06 PM, joesaiditstrue said: If we sign Encarnacion to DH, I can admit that I was definitely wrong in my prediction. Figured they would rotate the DH around like in past years What's the roster number in 2020, it's more than 25 right? Expand 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGetzUs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:07 PM, Dick Allen said: If Grandal gets hurt, it's doubtful McCann saves the season, and he is goine probably no matter what at the end of the season anyway. Reallocate his funds to the bullpen. Expand What is 5 mil going to get you? If you are that cash strapped with only 110 mil pay role, the team has more issues than who is playing backup catcher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I am stifled at why people believe that Collins is some sort of offensive juggernaut in the making. His track record doesn't imply that likely to be the case. People fall in love with the OPS I guess. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 7:45 PM, CBJ03 said: Im at work today. Not hard to put together who I was told by. Expand Uhhhhh we don't even know what you do lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:03 PM, ChiSox59 said: I disagree here. Obviously if someone wants to give you a nice prospect for him, by all means listen. But $5.4M is nothing and it will be really nice to have McCann around. God forbid Grandal gets hurt, we have a starting caliber catcher there ready to take the load for a couple weeks. I’m not trading McCann to save $5.4M and acquire a guy that will never make it past A ball. I also don’t think Collins as the straight backup catcher makes a ton of sense. Expand I have been stressing this point, but apparently some people don't care to factor in the potential injury factor. If Grandal were to miss substantial time, we would be stuck with a defensively challenged young catcher, who has yet to establish himself as a Major League hitter. That is not a prudent approach. McCann provides reasonable insurance, with his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 8:07 PM, HahnsKiddieTable said: Not saying his success is directly tied to McCann but if they have confidence in one another why fix what isn’t broken? Expand Because he is a back up catcher to the guy you just spend a team record amount of money to bring in, and you have a decent catching prospect behind him, and he makes more than a typical back up catcher, and he is gone in a season anyway, and he isn't the difference between winning a World Series and not winning a World Series. He is like a back up set of golf clubs for someone who golfs once or twice a year. Not really needed. The Sox made their bed with Grandal, then they thought McCann may DH vs. lefties, but it looks like they chose EE instead. We don't have to be rocket scientists to figure this out. There was a McCann trade blurb on MLBTR a few days ago, saying the Sox are asking for the moon. The writing is on the wall. He is going to go sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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