The Sir Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:18 PM, ScooterMcGee said: Pretend the Sox sign EE. Come mid-may, the field probably looks like this vs righties: 1B:Abreu 2B:Madrigal 3B:Moncada SS:TA LF: Eloy CF:Robert RF:Mazara Catcher: Grandal DH: EE Bench: C Mccann (probably in mostly vs lefties and for Gio) C/1B/DH Collins OF/IF Leury (starts in RF vs LHP) OF Engel IF Mendick (still hope Yolmer comes back as our utility IF though...) I mean that group really has potential to be very good offensively. I am a little concered about the corner outfield defense and hopefully Anderson has focused on upgrading his defense this offseason. My question is, who are you putting out there in Center and at 2B to start the season? Expand Honestly, I’d just go with Robert and Madrigal on OD. The window is starting. Why go into the season with Engel and Mendick as starters when you could start grooming two future All Stars at the highest level? That’s spiting the now for the distant future, and 2026 success depends on other factors beyond the retention of those two anyhow. Yeah, I know they’re not actually going to do this, FWIW. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:21 PM, BackDoorBreach said: Leury or Engle in CF, Mendick at 2B. It's not ideal but not awful. Expand They will add an infielder to be the interim starter. Mendick will be the reserve infielder to start the season and then likely AAA depth once Madrigal is called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:21 PM, BackDoorBreach said: Leury or Engle in CF, Mendick at 2B. It's not ideal but not awful. Expand For 12 or so games, I don't think it'll matter much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) On 12/22/2019 at 8:31 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Agreed. EE for DH is a no brainer. And if we aren’t in the thick of things come July, he gets moved for whatever and we can give Collins more playing time at DH assuming he’s still around. I actually like Collins but using him as a depth piece would be smart to start the season. And if he forces more playing time great, but he’s not a guy who should automatically be handed a starting role. Expand Yeah I like these moves too. Solid bats. Alot of flexibility and depth. And most importantly all of this was attained without sacrificing prospects. (Minus Steele Walker) very successful offseason. Speaking of Walker, how much control do the Whitesox have with Nomar Mazara in RF? One year? 2 years? Edited December 22, 2019 by smellysox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:34 PM, smellysox said: Yeah I like these moves too. Solid bats. Alot of flexibility and depth. And most importantly all of this was attained without sacrificing prospects. (Minus Steele Walker) very successful offseason. Speaking of Walker, how much control do the Whitesox have with Nomar Mazara in RF? One year? 2 years? Expand Two years via salary arbitration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:25 PM, The Sir said: Honestly, I’d just go with Robert and Madrigal on OD. The window is starting. Why go into the season with Engel and Mendick as starters when you could start grooming two future All Stars at the highest level? That’s spiting the now for the distant future, and 2026 success depends on other factors beyond the retention of those two anyhow. Yeah, I know they’re not actually going to do this, FWIW. Expand Would love to see both Madrigal and Robert in OD lineup. I think Madrigal is better than 50/50 to sign an extension. Robert is probably not likely but you never know. Neither will be in the OD lineup without signing extensions however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:44 PM, poppysox said: Would love to see both Madrigal and Robert in OD lineup. I think Madrigal is better than 50/50 to sign an extension. Robert is probably not likely but you never know. Neither will be in the OD lineup without signing extensions however. Expand Again, why sign Madrigal to an extension when you have no idea about the type of player he will be? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:34 PM, smellysox said: Yeah I like these moves too. Solid bats. Alot of flexibility and depth. And most importantly all of this was attained without sacrificing prospects. (Minus Steele Walker) very successful offseason. Speaking of Walker, how much control do the Whitesox have with Nomar Mazara in RF? One year? 2 years? Expand Two years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, fathom said: Again, why sign Madrigal to an extension when you have no idea about the type of player he will be? Expand And he doesn’t even play a position that gets expensive in arb or should be prohibitive to re-sign. A power hitting CFer though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 They posted eyeballs before Kuechel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, fathom said: Again, why sign Madrigal to an extension when you have no idea about the type of player he will be? Expand From a team perspective...any extension is a gamble in order to save money long term. In Madrigal & Robert situations the OD lineup is also a factor. Since you specifically single out Madrigal...I will say I have more faith in Madrigal being a successful long term extension than I had with Eloy at the same time last year. Obviously extensions differ from player to player. Extensions for Eloy and Madrigal will differ substantially from extending Robert or Moncada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:31 PM, Orlando said: They posted eyeballs before Kuechel Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Wow they are going to be so popular for putting up a suggestive tweet at some time interval before something may or may not happen. Love the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:34 PM, poppysox said: From a team perspective...any extension is a gamble in order to save money long term. In Madrigal & Robert situations the OD lineup is also a factor. Since you specifically single out Madrigal...I will say I have more faith in Madrigal being a successful long term extension than I had with Eloy at the same time last year. Obviously extensions differ from player to player. Extensions for Eloy and Madrigal will differ substantially from extending Robert or Moncada. Expand The challenge with extending Madrigal right now is it’s hard to value him given his unique skillset and the uncertainty of how the power will develop. I have no doubt there is a number that the Sox would be willing to offer right now, but Madrigal may not like that figure and bet on himself a bit to prove he’s more than just a slap hitter at the major league level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:37 PM, bmags said: Wow they are going to be so popular for putting up a suggestive tweet at some time interval before something may or may not happen. Love the internet. Expand Also love how that emoji was started by WSD to signify news could be coming and every Sox blog and/or fan goof has taken it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 9:48 PM, fathom said: Again, why sign Madrigal to an extension when you have no idea about the type of player he will be? Expand He had an avg exit velocity of 85 mph last year and he didn't hit a single ball harder than 105 mph. That's in the bottom 20% of all minor leagues and the bottom of MLB. It's a ton of soft contact and there is no way to tell how that will translate against big league pitchers and shifts. He simply doesn't impact the baseball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:49 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: He had an avg exit velocity of 85 mph last year and he didn't hit a single ball harder than 105 mph. That's in the bottom 20% of all minor leagues and the bottom of MLB. It's a ton of soft contact and there is no way to tell how that will translate against big league pitchers and shifts. He simply doesn't impact the baseball. Expand Where did you find exit velocity numbers for a minor leaguer? That's really cool info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:49 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: He had an avg exit velocity of 85 mph last year and he didn't hit a single ball harder than 105 mph. That's in the bottom 20% of all minor leagues and the bottom of MLB. It's a ton of soft contact and there is no way to tell how that will translate against big league pitchers and shifts. He simply doesn't impact the baseball. Expand Have you heard that Vaughn supposedly had a ton of triple digit outs last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 can we please get puig instead of edwin ?? that'd make me happy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:39 PM, Chicago White Sox said: The challenge with extending Madrigal right now is it’s hard to value him given his unique skillset and the uncertainty of how the power will develop. I have no doubt there is a number that the Sox would be willing to offer right now, but Madrigal may not like that figure and bet on himself a bit to prove he’s more than just a slap hitter at the major league level. Expand That is the same dynamic at play in every extension. Players get more money for more years than they are currently guaranteed... kind of insurance against things that could end or hinder their careers. Teams hope to save some money by paying more than necessary now to have some cost certainty for years down the road. Sale was a great example of the player wanting the security while Kris Bryant wanted to gamble on himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:49 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: He had an avg exit velocity of 85 mph last year and he didn't hit a single ball harder than 105 mph. That's in the bottom 20% of all minor leagues and the bottom of MLB. It's a ton of soft contact and there is no way to tell how that will translate against big league pitchers and shifts. He simply doesn't impact the baseball. Expand Basically, he could be more David Eckstein than Jose Altuve if he doesn’t start sacrificing some contact for bat speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:54 PM, Moan4Yoan said: Basically, he could be more David Eckstein than Jose Altuve if he doesn’t start sacrificing some contact for bat speed. Expand Eckstein was a very good player. Anywhere between Eckstein and Altuve will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:53 PM, poppysox said: That is the same dynamic at play in every extension. Players get more money for more years than they are currently guaranteed... kind of insurance against things that could end or hinder their careers. Teams hope to save some money by paying more than necessary now to have some cost certainty for years down the road. Sale was a great example of the player wanting the security while Kris Bryant wanted to gamble on himself. Expand The amount of surplus value teams are getting from early extensions has been ridiculous. Maybe Madrigal flops, but the odds of any extension for a prospect of his caliber going wrong is small and the financial upside of it for teams is enormous. No team in baseball has benefited from extensions more than the White Sox. It's one of the few areas in baseball they're clearly out in front of other teams on and it's something they should continue pursuing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 10:57 PM, poppysox said: Eckstein was a very good player. Anywhere between Eckstein and Altuve will play. Expand Eckstein was not a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 11:00 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Eckstein was not a very good player. Expand What am I missing? His first 5 years look pretty good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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