J.A. Happ

[steveno89]

11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Pro's

White Sox would get money back for taking his contract, which is $17 million for 2020

His 2.9 and 3.0 fWAR was followed up by just 1.3 in 2019, so getting him into AL Central and out of East...potential rebound candidate

Limited contract, expires in 2020

Gives veteran stability to the back end of the rotation, LH-edness without overpaying Keuchel/Ryu

Northwestern grad, local ties

Durable, not a fireballer...variation on young rotation guys in terms of stuff

Gets another $17 million contract with 2021 with 165 IP and 27 starts if he overachieves or bounces back to 2017/18 levels of performance (Yankees would have to agree to kick in $5-6 million?)

Wouldn't cost any major prospects...

 

Con's

Age, 37

The fact that this could be an irreversible decline at the end of his career after being productive through age 37

The fact that saving the Yankees money on Happ means they can reinvest it into Severino/Paxton/Tanaka (the latter two are free agents at the end of this season)

Would have to get some money back from the Yankees to offset his salary...based on subpar 2019 performance...how willing would the Yankees actually be to do this? 

In general, bailing out the Yankees on this deal could make them a stronger competitor for the Sox down the line (of course, just getting to the playoffs would be a major accomplishment for Sox, too early to think about W.S. or the Yankees being stronger)

Still far more preferable than gambling on David Price's health over a 3 year contract

 

I'd rather role the dice on Gio Gonzalez one a cheap, one year deal. If he bounces back he could help solidify the back end of our rotation. 

[he gone.]

11 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

Happ sucks.  Would rather have Price

I love short answers like this. Adds very little to the conversation in terms of thought process, reasoning, etc. Very twitter like response. 

I'd take Happ over Price, but would pass on both. Happ is a pretty big fly ball guy, and although Comiskey is better than NYY, it's still not ideal. At the price and age? I'd assume just pass. We should be focused on going after ground ball guys. Here were the top 24 in ground ball outs last year: (24 to include a little heartache)... the issue i Have with this front office is that some of these guys were available, and some at pretty okay prices this offseaon and it doesn't seem like Hahn knows or has access to stats like this sometimes...

Anderson could've been had on a short, cheap deal. Nova is still available (i know not a favorite), Alcantara can be traded for, Miley was out there. Perez actually intrigues me a bit. But i think the obvious one to me is Ryu who's career ERA is under 3 and probably only takes a 3/4 year deal to get done. Give him 4/84 and be done with it. 

1	Brett Anderson	Oakland Athletics	SP	269
2	Dakota Hudson	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	258
3	Stephen Strasburg	Washington Nationals	SP	255
4	Zack Greinke	Houston Astros	SP	244
5	Mike Leake	Arizona Diamondbacks	SP	237
5	Hyun-Jin Ryu	Los Angeles Dodgers	SP	237
7	Miles Mikolas	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	234
8	Patrick Corbin	Washington Nationals	SP	231
9	Ivan Nova	Chicago White Sox	SP	230
10	Masahiro Tanaka	New York Yankees	SP	229
11	Marcus Stroman	New York Mets	SP	227
12	Mike Soroka	Atlanta Braves	SP	223
13	Sandy Alcantara	Miami Marlins	SP	216
13	Adam Wainwright	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	216
15	Aaron Nola	Philadelphia Phillies	SP	215
16	Luis Castillo	Cincinnati Reds	SP	212
17	Noah Syndergaard	New York Mets	SP	207
17	Wade Miley	Houston Astros	RP	207
19	Eduardo Rodriguez	Boston Red Sox	SP	204
20	Marco Gonzales	Seattle Mariners	SP	201
20	Jose Berrios	Minnesota Twins	SP	201
22	German Marquez	Colorado Rockies	SP	200
23	Martin Perez	Minnesota Twins	SP	199
24	Zack Wheeler	New York Mets	SP	195

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

1 hour ago, BrianAnderson said:

I love short answers like this. Adds very little to the conversation in terms of thought process, reasoning, etc. Very twitter like response. 

I'd take Happ over Price, but would pass on both. Happ is a pretty big fly ball guy, and although Comiskey is better than NYY, it's still not ideal. At the price and age? I'd assume just pass. We should be focused on going after ground ball guys. Here were the top 24 in ground ball outs last year: (24 to include a little heartache)... the issue i Have with this front office is that some of these guys were available, and some at pretty okay prices this offseaon and it doesn't seem like Hahn knows or has access to stats like this sometimes...

Anderson could've been had on a short, cheap deal. Nova is still available (i know not a favorite), Alcantara can be traded for, Miley was out there. Perez actually intrigues me a bit. But i think the obvious one to me is Ryu who's career ERA is under 3 and probably only takes a 3/4 year deal to get done. Give him 4/84 and be done with it. 

1	Brett Anderson	Oakland Athletics	SP	269
2	Dakota Hudson	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	258
3	Stephen Strasburg	Washington Nationals	SP	255
4	Zack Greinke	Houston Astros	SP	244
5	Mike Leake	Arizona Diamondbacks	SP	237
5	Hyun-Jin Ryu	Los Angeles Dodgers	SP	237
7	Miles Mikolas	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	234
8	Patrick Corbin	Washington Nationals	SP	231
9	Ivan Nova	Chicago White Sox	SP	230
10	Masahiro Tanaka	New York Yankees	SP	229
11	Marcus Stroman	New York Mets	SP	227
12	Mike Soroka	Atlanta Braves	SP	223
13	Sandy Alcantara	Miami Marlins	SP	216
13	Adam Wainwright	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	216
15	Aaron Nola	Philadelphia Phillies	SP	215
16	Luis Castillo	Cincinnati Reds	SP	212
17	Noah Syndergaard	New York Mets	SP	207
17	Wade Miley	Houston Astros	RP	207
19	Eduardo Rodriguez	Boston Red Sox	SP	204
20	Marco Gonzales	Seattle Mariners	SP	201
20	Jose Berrios	Minnesota Twins	SP	201
22	German Marquez	Colorado Rockies	SP	200
23	Martin Perez	Minnesota Twins	SP	199
24	Zack Wheeler	New York Mets	SP	195

I predict we overpay for Marco Gonzalez due to us not signing anyone.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, BrianAnderson said:

I love short answers like this. Adds very little to the conversation in terms of thought process, reasoning, etc. Very twitter like response. 

I'd take Happ over Price, but would pass on both. Happ is a pretty big fly ball guy, and although Comiskey is better than NYY, it's still not ideal. At the price and age? I'd assume just pass. We should be focused on going after ground ball guys. Here were the top 24 in ground ball outs last year: (24 to include a little heartache)... the issue i Have with this front office is that some of these guys were available, and some at pretty okay prices this offseaon and it doesn't seem like Hahn knows or has access to stats like this sometimes...

Anderson could've been had on a short, cheap deal. Nova is still available (i know not a favorite), Alcantara can be traded for, Miley was out there. Perez actually intrigues me a bit. But i think the obvious one to me is Ryu who's career ERA is under 3 and probably only takes a 3/4 year deal to get done. Give him 4/84 and be done with it. 

1	Brett Anderson	Oakland Athletics	SP	269
2	Dakota Hudson	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	258
3	Stephen Strasburg	Washington Nationals	SP	255
4	Zack Greinke	Houston Astros	SP	244
5	Mike Leake	Arizona Diamondbacks	SP	237
5	Hyun-Jin Ryu	Los Angeles Dodgers	SP	237
7	Miles Mikolas	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	234
8	Patrick Corbin	Washington Nationals	SP	231
9	Ivan Nova	Chicago White Sox	SP	230
10	Masahiro Tanaka	New York Yankees	SP	229
11	Marcus Stroman	New York Mets	SP	227
12	Mike Soroka	Atlanta Braves	SP	223
13	Sandy Alcantara	Miami Marlins	SP	216
13	Adam Wainwright	St. Louis Cardinals	SP	216
15	Aaron Nola	Philadelphia Phillies	SP	215
16	Luis Castillo	Cincinnati Reds	SP	212
17	Noah Syndergaard	New York Mets	SP	207
17	Wade Miley	Houston Astros	RP	207
19	Eduardo Rodriguez	Boston Red Sox	SP	204
20	Marco Gonzales	Seattle Mariners	SP	201
20	Jose Berrios	Minnesota Twins	SP	201
22	German Marquez	Colorado Rockies	SP	200
23	Martin Perez	Minnesota Twins	SP	199
24	Zack Wheeler	New York Mets	SP	195

What are those numbers?

[wegner]

3 hours ago, BrianAnderson said:

I love short answers like this. Adds very little to the conversation in terms of thought process, reasoning, etc. Very twitter like response. 

I'd take Happ over Price, but would pass on both. Happ is a pretty big fly ball guy, and although Comiskey is better than NYY, it's still not ideal. At the price and age? I'd assume just pass. We should be focused on going after ground ball guys. Here were the top 24 in ground ball outs last year: (24 to include a little heartache)... the issue i Have with this front office is that some of these guys were available, and some at pretty okay prices this offseaon and it doesn't seem like Hahn knows or has access to stats like this sometimes...

Anderson could've been had on a short, cheap deal. Nova is still available (i know not a favorite), Alcantara can be traded for, Miley was out there. Perez actually intrigues me a bit. But i think the obvious one to me is Ryu who's career ERA is under 3 and probably only takes a 3/4 year deal to get done. Give him 4/84 and be done with it. 

 

We need to pick up more than 1 SP this off season.  I have no problem if they would go sign Nova now as one of those...even if just to pitch against the Cubbies ?

[Steve9347]

Might as well call Mark Buehrle out of retirement.

[Kyyle23]

I love that the White Sox position is to take the Yankee and Red Sox castoffs instead of trying to sign the guys that the Yankees and Red Sox want 

[Moan4Yoan]

2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I love that the White Sox position is to take the Yankee and Red Sox castoffs instead of trying to sign the guys that the Yankees and Red Sox want 

Pretty sad if you look at it like that with Price and Happ.

[Kyyle23]

15 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Pretty sad if you look at it like that with Price and Happ.

It makes me sick to my stomach to relieve Boston of their financial burden so that they can turn around and get much better.  Nobody ever lines up to take the white Sox shitty contracts 

[chetkincaid]

32 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I love that the White Sox position is to take the Yankee and Red Sox castoffs instead of trying to sign the guys that the Yankees and Red Sox want 

This right here. Why are we the second hand franchise? I don’t want the Yankees or the BoSox castoffs. And giving them salary relief so they can sign more players to beat your ass with makes it even worse. 

[Bob Sacamano]

15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It makes me sick to my stomach to relieve Boston of their financial burden so that they can turn around and get much better.  Nobody ever lines up to take the white Sox shitty contracts 

They never ever really have shitty contracts.

[Kyyle23]

2 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

They never ever really have shitty contracts.

Jeff Keppinger and Adam Dunn say hi 

[Harold's Leg Lift]

Keppinger's contract was for 3yr/$12M.  

Reigning and undefeated fiscal responsibility champions.  

[TheTruth05]

12 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Keppinger's contract was for 3yr/$12M.  

Reigning and undefeated fiscal responsibility champions.  

We've been conditioned to mourn these type of "losses". How about we take some risks and actually win a bit.

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, wegner said:

We need to pick up more than 1 SP this off season.  I have no problem if they would go sign Nova now as one of those...even if just to pitch against the Cubbies ?

Felix Diaz had one memorable start against the Cubs as well.  Hopefully he's not the White Sox Dominican ambassador or we'll never sign a pitcher out of there.

Edited December 19, 2019 by caulfield12

[Kyyle23]

Cool

[he gone.]

18 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

What are those numbers?

Ground ball outs.