Moan4Yoan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I’m pretty sure the only two knocks on Gio is that he gets a little wild and will walk some guys and also that he was pretty much a 4 to 5 inning pitcher with the Brewers. But the Brewers handled Gio well and threw in their nasty bullpen before opposing batters saw him too many times. That’s easy to do when you have a great bullpen. Edited December 19, 2019 by Moan4Yoan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: In all seriousness, I’m happy if the deal doesn’t exceed 1/$7M. We paid Nova $9M to eat innings last year, and Gio is more than just a Nova replacement. I’m fine with the signing but just wanted to point out this really isn’t an upgrade from Nova, at least as far as the projections are concerned. Projections have Gio at 1.5 fWAR in 2020 and Nova produced 2.0 fWAR in 2019. Edited December 19, 2019 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Because Kopech is Gio's replacement? It's a 1 year deal. I'll have to find out the $$$ first. Anything over $5 million, he will stick from here until the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Could the Sox get Jon Gray without giving up one of their Big 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: I’m pretty sure the only two knocks on Gio is that he gets a little wild and will walk some guys and also that he was pretty much a4 to 5 inning pitcher with the Brewers. The Brewers handled Gio well and threw in their nasty bullpen before opposing batters saw him too many times. NL IPs are sometimes a skewed stat based on their dumb ass non DH rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’m fine with the signing but just wanted to point out this really isn’t an upgrade from Nova, at least as far as the projections are concerned. Projections have Gio at 1.5 fWAR in 2020 and Nova produced 2.0 fWAR in 2019. And guess what Nova’s steamer projection is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The back end of the rotation has been so bad anything sounds good to me. Just hope another pitcher is on the way. I saw a story about Lindor going to the Reds, not the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I’m fine with the signing but just wanted to point out this really isn’t an upgrade from Nova, at least as far as the projections are concerned. Projections have Gio at 1.5 fWAR in 2020 and Nova produced 2.0 fWAR in 2019. And FG projects Nova at 1.3 fWAR for 2020. WAR is a counting stat - and they project Gio to throw 150 IP. Nova pitched nearly 200 last year. FG has Nova at 165 IP on the 1.3 fWAR projection. So, in other words, they prefer Gio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: And FG projects Nova at 1.3 fWAR for 2020. WAR is a counting stat - and they project Gio to throw 150 IP. Nova pitched nearly 200 last year. FG has Nova at 165 IP on the 1.3 fWAR projection. So, in other words, they prefer Gio. My comparison was 2019 Nova vs 2020 Gio since 2019 Nova is who he is replacing correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: And guess what Nova’s steamer projection is? 4?....Never mind, I have no idea what a steamer projection is. I always just guess on SoxMath so don't mind me. Edited December 19, 2019 by wegner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: And FG projects Nova at 1.3 fWAR for 2020. WAR is a counting stat - and they project Gio to throw 150 IP. Nova pitched nearly 200 last year. FG has Nova at 165 IP on the 1.3 fWAR projection. So, in other words, they prefer Gio. Not to mention looking at 3 year history, one is clearly a superior pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: My comparison was 2019 Nova vs 2020 Gio since 2019 Nova is who he is replacing correct? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, thxfrthmmrs said: Not to mention looking at 3 year history, one is clearly a superior pitcher. Again, Gio is fine but you’re definitively taking the over on 2.0 fWAR for Gio in 2020? I’m not so sure about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: My comparison was 2019 Nova vs 2020 Gio since 2019 Nova is who he is replacing correct? No, he is replacing 2020 Nova, as 2019 Nova has already completed the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: My comparison was 2019 Nova vs 2020 Gio since 2019 Nova is who he is replacing correct? STEAMER more often than not under-projects 4/5th starter types, take it with a grain of salt. BTW, Nova 2019 STEAMER? 0.8. Edited December 19, 2019 by thxfrthmmrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, NCsoxfan said: They’re no longer convincing that they’re trying to win as a top priority. Priorities 1-5 are maximizing profits while providing a glimmer of hope. You can’t really be upset about this signing but nobody is excited about it. Tired old saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamStance Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 One time I want Levine to report something that isn't cold water in some capacity, i know this isn't a great example, but it irrationally bothers me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: Not really. 2019 => 2020 Giolito => Giolito Lopez => Lopez Nova => Gonzalez Cease plus pile of suck => Cease Rodon plus pile of suck => ? Plus Kopech at least that’s how I see it. Just have to hope for no injuries because then we’re back to pile of suck as the replacement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The prodigal son returns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 56 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: This is a move I really don't like for the 2nd starter spot, but in reality it's probably not much worse or better than any of the other bums. Basically holding down a rotation spot until Kopech comes up. Holding down a roster spot until Rodon is ready. (Assuming of course no injuries or other reasons we may need him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: 2019 => 2020 Giolito => Giolito Lopez => Lopez Nova => Gonzalez Cease plus pile of suck => Cease Rodon plus pile of suck => ? Plus Kopech at least that’s how I see it. Just have to hope for no injuries because then we’re back to pile of suck as the replacement... It's not that linear. Dane Dunning, Kopech and Rodon will all likely be available at some point. Stiever as well to a lesser extent. Gonzalez is insulation against having to find a guy off the street. Which now seems like it's unlikely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Hopefully, he’s replacing the Covey/Detwiler/Santiago innings and not Nova. The post-Rodon-injury 5th starter was such a black hole that anyone is an improvement and Gio figures to be a significant improvement. Be interesting to see if they get anyone else or roll with Covey/Detwiler until Kopech is miraculously “ready” on June 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 27 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: For the 1,001th time, HAVE THE WHITE SOX OFFICIALY SAID THIS? i asked that question too but two brothers of ours from this board said hahn said it at a podcast in August and they backed each other up. I didnt like the idea at first because why waste innings and starts, but the more I read the more it makes sense even though i still hate the idea and wish i was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: 2019 => 2020 Giolito => Giolito Lopez => Lopez Nova => Gonzalez Cease plus pile of suck => Cease Rodon plus pile of suck => ? Plus Kopech at least that’s how I see it. Just have to hope for no injuries because then we’re back to pile of suck as the replacement... He's not a direct replacement for Nova because he's not going to be in the rotation all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: It's not that linear. Dane Dunning, Kopech and Rodon will all likely be available at some point. Stiever as well to a lesser extent. Gonzalez is insulation against having to find a guy off the street. Which now seems like it's unlikely to happen. I’ve got Kopech in there. I’m not expecting much of anything from Dunning or Rodon in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.