KnightsOnMintSt Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Would the Sox be able to land him without giving up talent on the big league roster? Does a deal with Vaughn, Madrigal, and Stiever get it done? Edited December 19, 2019 by KnightsOnMintSt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Probably really close. He can opt out after year 2 though, so I wouldn't be at all interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 The Rockies voluntarily giving him an opt out is so bizarre. It's almost like they wanted the good PR of extending him and then were hoping he'd leave so they wouldn't have to pay most of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 MLB.com proposed this the other day and I would be very tempted to do this (we'd have to land Keuchel or a similar starter though to even consider it). White Sox get: 3B Nolan Arenado and cash Rockies get: RHP Dylan Cease, OF Luis Alexander Basabe (White Sox No. 7 prospect) and C/1B Zack Collins (White Sox No. 9 prospect) https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-arenado-trade-proposals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 If he opted in, I'd feel comfortable with moving anyone we have on the farm not named Luis Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said: MLB.com proposed this the other day and I would be very tempted to do this (we'd have to land Keuchel or a similar starter though to even consider it). White Sox get: 3B Nolan Arenado and cash Rockies get: RHP Dylan Cease, OF Luis Alexander Basabe (White Sox No. 7 prospect) and C/1B Zack Collins (White Sox No. 9 prospect) https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-arenado-trade-proposals I don’t see how that package is at all tempting for the Rockies. Maybe Cease, Vaughn/Madrigal, Stiever, + 1 crap throw in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: Would the Sox be able to land him without giving up talent on the big league roster? Does a deal with Vaughn, Madrigal, and Stiever get it done? Yeah I’d guess Madrigal, Vaughn, Collins, Stiever for Arenado and cash. And I’d do it if I were the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Does Arenado really even have much surplus value? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: Would the Sox be able to land him without giving up talent on the big league roster? Does a deal with Vaughn, Madrigal, and Stiever get it done? Holy fuck that would be an awful baseball trade. You really want trade the rest of our prospects for a 3B already being paid market rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Does Arenado really even have much surplus value? Exactly. What am I missing here? Here is how that trade looks on baseballtradevalues.com: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 It's a big contract, but it's not like Arenado is a bad player or anything. There's no chance the Rockies trade him for anything less than multiple T100 prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 And it should be obvious, especially in a deal with the White Sox, that cash would also be changing hands, so I'm not sure if that trade value calculator (which isn't the best to begin with) can be trusted much for such a transaction since we don't know how much cash the Rockies would send. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: It's a big contract, but it's not like Arenado is a bad player or anything. There's no chance the Rockies trade him for anything less than multiple T100 prospects That may all be true, but us trading two top 25 prospects and guy who could start cracking mid season top 100 lists by mid season for would be absolute insanity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 They should’ve just signed Rendon if they wanted an impact bat. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Isn’t Arenado pretty average away from Coors on his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Arenado is a great player, but like others have noted his contract doesn’t offer much surplus value, He won’t come cheap, and our best player plays the same position as him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He also would need to waive his no-trade clause to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The Sox don't even pay these types of guys in free agency. No way would they trade young guys to be able to pay that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Holy fuck that would be an awful baseball trade. You really want trade the rest of our prospects for a 3B already being paid market rate? Yea we didn't get close to that with Sale and he was younger with a great contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yea we didn't get close to that with Sale and he was younger with a great contract. I think Moncada + Kopech is better than Madrigal + Vaughn (just because of how good Moncada was/is) but it’s not that much different and Sale was a way more valuable asset to your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I'm pretty surprised by the reaction here. I'm generally with you guys when it comes to these hypothetical Vaughn/Madrigal type trades. There are very few players I would trade them for, and I especially wouldn't entertain trading either one of them for a player with just one year of control (Betts). But assuming a decent amount of cash is included, I would absolutely consider moving them for one of the greatest defensive players of all time, even if Coors inflates his offense. You'd kind of have to move Madrigal since you'd be shifting Moncada to 2B. Adding Vaughn is just what I think it would take to get the Rockies to accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I'm pretty surprised by the reaction here. I'm generally with you guys when it comes to these hypothetical Vaughn/Madrigal type trades. There are very few players I would trade them for, and I especially wouldn't entertain trading either one of them for a player with just one year of control (Betts). But assuming a decent amount of cash is included, I would absolutely consider moving them for one of the greatest defensive players of all time, even if Coors inflates his offense. You'd kind of have to move Madrigal since you'd be shifting Moncada to 2B. Adding Vaughn is just what I think it would take to get the Rockies to accept. If the Sox were going to trade Madrigal/Vaughn, don’t you think it would be a much better idea to trade them for a cost controlled starting pitcher instead of a 3rd baseman on a huge contract, especially considering the Sox already have a star 3rd baseman making pennies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: If the Sox were going to trade Madrigal/Vaughn, don’t you think it would be a much better idea to trade them for a cost controlled starting pitcher instead of a 3rd baseman on a huge contract, especially considering the Sox already have a star 3rd baseman making pennies? The way I see it, a star is a star, so I'd be fine acquiring one and moving the inferior defender (in this case, Moncada) to a position of need. I do get where you're coming from. My problem is that I struggle to identify that cost-controlled SP who may be available. Snell would likely cost Robert+, and Syndergaard doesn't have much control left so I wouldn't be comfortable giving up that much for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Potato chips. Lots and lots of potato chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think Moncada + Kopech is better than Madrigal + Vaughn (just because of how good Moncada was/is) but it’s not that much different and Sale was a way more valuable asset to your point. But some were including Cease and Collins and Stiever into the mix too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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