bmags Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I struggle with these. Arenado is tremendous...he's also receiving close to market value. That makes him not sale. You are paying for his rights, but aren't getting much surplus. That's real. But haven't seen one of these in practice for a while. He'd get back prospects but not sure he gets the level we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, bmags said: I struggle with these. Arenado is tremendous...he's also receiving close to market value. That makes him not sale. You are paying for his rights, but aren't getting much surplus. That's real. But haven't seen one of these in practice for a while. He'd get back prospects but not sure he gets the level we think. The Stanton trade might be the best recent comp, although that contract was definitely worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Stanton trade might be the best recent comp, although that contract was definitely worse. Right, and I'd imagine the answer is he'd net more but if the rockies just wanted to shove off salary there are less painful ways to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Arenado's OPS was .772 in 2018 away from Colorado and .866 in 2019 away from Colorado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I don’t see how that package is at all tempting for the Rockies. Maybe Cease, Vaughn/Madrigal, Stiever, + 1 crap throw in. I just can't trade a kid with number 1 stuff for a 3rd baseman in this environment. We have to produce starting pitching. We ain't buying it. That's just reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I just can't trade a kid with number 1 stuff for a 3rd baseman in this environment. We have to produce starting pitching. We ain't buying it. That's just reality. Agreed. If Cease figures out his control, he’s worth Cole money with his stuff. I wouldn’t trade him for an expensive 3B with weak road numbers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: I'm pretty surprised by the reaction here. I'm generally with you guys when it comes to these hypothetical Vaughn/Madrigal type trades. There are very few players I would trade them for, and I especially wouldn't entertain trading either one of them for a player with just one year of control (Betts). But assuming a decent amount of cash is included, I would absolutely consider moving them for one of the greatest defensive players of all time, even if Coors inflates his offense. You'd kind of have to move Madrigal since you'd be shifting Moncada to 2B. Adding Vaughn is just what I think it would take to get the Rockies to accept. His surplus value the next 2 years simply isn’t worth 2 top 25 and 2 top 150 guys. And if he has two more seasons of 5.5+ WAR he’s opting out for a bigger deal. If he performs worse than that, then the Sox paid 4 of their top 8 prospects for for a guy performing near or below market rate. It’s a no win situation for the Sox even if Rockies throw in reasonable cash. Edited December 20, 2019 by thxfrthmmrs 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I feel like the stars are aligned for Arenado to opt-out and sign with the Dodgers in a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 What would it take? Mental illness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, thxfrthmmrs said: His surplus value the next 2 years simply isn’t worth 2 top 25 and 2 top 150 guys. And if he has two more seasons of 5.5+ WAR he’s opting out for a bigger deal. If he performs worse than that, then the Sox paid 4 of their top 8 prospects for for a guy performing near or below market rate. It’s a no win situation for the Sox even if Rockies throw in reasonable cash. That's fair, and something I considered, but based on how the contract is structured, I'm not as convinced as you are that he's opting out at 30 years old even if he turns in two more Arenado-type seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 How about the Sox concentrate on building a contending baseball team, versus contrivances that will hurt like this? a I would also note that actual Contenders that have no 3B aren't pursuing this. But a 72 win team that has a 3B should? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I like Arenado, but if we did something like this I'd be upset, because then why dont you just sign a Rendon? Giving up prospects would make no sense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, BrianAnderson said: I like Arenado, but if we did something like this I'd be upset, because then why dont you just sign a Rendon? Giving up prospects would make no sense Sox did not go through a rebuild to punt Madrigal and Vaughn in a trade at this stage. You have to think the organization views each of them as key pieces moving forward to aid contention. We just are not close enough to be pushing all of our farm chips in to try and win right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, steveno89 said: Sox did not go through a rebuild to punt Madrigal and Vaughn in a trade at this stage. You have to think the organization views each of them as key pieces moving forward to aid contention. We just are not close enough to be pushing all of our farm chips in to try and win right now. Theoretically, I'd trade Madrigal+(as long as the + is not Vaughn, Kopech, Robert or Cease) for Lindor(if it were actually possible, and not fantasy land) in an instant. You have a year to convince him to sign an extension. If not, you flip him again next winter and gain some pieces back. Edited December 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Anderson and Collins for Lindor. Leury Rutherford and Vaughn for Arenado. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 All in if he was a free agent, yes. The Sox can't afford to give up the little talent they do have. They have to augment with FAs. Looks like with zillionaire Cohen hovering, the Mets will become major players on the level of the Yankees and Dodgers. Arenado might end up in Queens. The White Sox should be so fortunate to have a zillionaire buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Dump the farm to get a player that plays the same position as our current best player AND eats up some or all of the free agent money we would theoretically use to get pitching, which we DESPERATELY NEED. Why? Edited December 21, 2019 by Eminor3rd 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 A new Arenado rumor surfaced today on Yahoo, saying there is a 50/50 chance he is traded. Then, it went on to mention White Sox as possible trade partner. Total BS, if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: ??? Time to put this one to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) On 12/21/2019 at 2:54 AM, pcq said: Anderson and Collins for Lindor. Leury Rutherford and Vaughn for Arenado. Not a good time to trade Vaughn. That deal sucks. Edited January 3, 2020 by Eloy Jiménez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) On 12/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, KnightsOnMintSt said: Would the Sox be able to land him without giving up talent on the big league roster? Does a deal with Vaughn, Madrigal, and Stiever get it done? Probably; now why in the world would the Sox do that? I should resurrect the Cargo threads from 5 years ago... Edited January 3, 2020 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Moncada is on the verge of breaking out and being a superstar. I wouldn't move him off of 3rd for anybody. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Morosi on MLB Tonight threw out the Sox as a possible suitor and dropped Moncada as a guy that could interest the Rockies. I’m not a big Morosi fan, so take it with a grain of salt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Guesses? Arenado to St. Louis. Bryant to Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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