iWiN4PreP Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I'll pass. You'll pass OUT after getting hit in the head with a 450 foot BOMBSKI by CASTELLANOS 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: All of them combined lol. DRS hes -67 (3rd worst in baseball) Uzr/150 hes -7.4 (4th worst) Arm is -9.2 (if he qualified that would be the 2nd worst) Runs over replacement -18.7 (among outfielders that's 6th worst behind all the DH's I listed and 80 year old Melky Cabrera. You don’t think it’s a little disingenuous to add everything together and ignore that he made legit progress in his 2nd year in the OF? Obviously he’s still not good in the OF, but there’s a lot of hyperbole to your posts. -9 DRS for a guy going to put up a 120/130 wRC+ hitter is palatable in my opinion. I obviously don’t value RF defense as much as you do, but that’s fine. Nothing wrong with disagreeing. I just personally think it’s a little crazy to think the world would crumble and the Sox couldn’t win if Castellanos is in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 My brain is in a fog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, centerfieldsixers said: Castellenos is a Boras client. He makes a market when there is none. chances are we would overpay for him. Do we want to do that when we are allegedly negotiatiang a 80+ million dollar contract on a player yet to play in the bigs? I think this is b.s. on Sox side. Boras bringing up the market Castellanos is not getting $80+ million guaranteed. Not with his poor defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: You'll pass OUT after getting hit in the head with a 450 foot BOMBSKI by CASTELLANOS Mazara hits them 550 feet. Ask Reylo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 EE put up a higher fWAR than NC in 2019 despite playing 45 fewer games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Bad Hombre said: Wouldn’t mind it. I prefer him over EE Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Plus I'll be super upset when micker hits 45 Homer's this year with arm velocity of 105 from the outfield and we have no where to put him! No where to put him in 2021, either. Plus, if Vaughn is ready in 2021, Abreu will be DH. No room then for St. Nick. Edited December 23, 2019 by oldsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Maybe they project his doubles power to translate into more home runs at the cell? Figure they could rotate him with Abreu, McCann, and Mazara while trading Collins? I no know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Castellanos is not getting $80+ million guaranteed. Not with his poor defense. Do we want to do that when we are allegedly negotiatiang a 80+ million dollar contract on a player yet to play in the bigs? I am referring to Robert and a possible extension. Not the dollars Castellenos is going to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Dick Allen said: EE put up a higher fWAR than NC in 2019 despite playing 45 fewer games. Much rather ink EE to a one year deal for $8-10 million than screw with a multi year agreement for Castellanos around $14-16 million. Castellanos is a poor defensive outfielder, and more suited to being a solid DH. I'm not crazy about paying him to be our DH medium to long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldsox said: No where to put him in 2021, either. Plus, if Vaughn is ready in 2021, Abreu will be DH. No room then for St. Nick. Correction: no room for Mazara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, centerfieldsixers said: Do we want to do that when we are allegedly negotiatiang a 80+ million dollar contract on a player yet to play in the bigs? I am referring to Robert and a possible extension. Not the dollars Castellenos is going to get If Robert signs something like that, there's a pretty good chance most of his money will be paid out after 4 or 5 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Castellanos is not getting $80+ million guaranteed. Not with his poor defense. 4/68, opt out after 3... that’s my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 The White Sox will never have a problem having too many good players. If somehow we luck out and run out of room for some, some team will take the excess off Hahns hands in return for players who play positions of need 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Soxnfins said: 4/68, opt out after 3... that’s my guess Sox should not be giving him that kind of money. I think he ends up getting quite a bit less than that, either in terms of years or dollars. Yes, he is still relatively young and in his prime, but I question whether his bat is really good enough to justify that kind of expenditure. You are talking about a bat only player who is a defensive liability and may be limited to DH. Those guys do not command big years or money in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Also this says source says White Sox still interested. For all we know, Castellanos could be closing in on a deal with the Reds, and Boras throws this out there to get that last budge on the contract terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox will never have a problem having too many good players. If somehow we luck out and run out of room for some, some team will take the excess off Hahns hands in return for players who play positions of need This. Get the player now, worry about the excess later. Pitching is always needed down the line even with our potential 7 man rotation issue at the end of this upcoming season. If you have a surplus of something worry about that down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: EE put up a higher fWAR than NC in 2019 despite playing 45 fewer games. Castellanos also put up a 2.0 fWAR in only 51 games once he left Comerica. I understand that’s a small sample size and he’s unlikely to keep that pace...he got really hot with the Cubs. But he’s also only 27 years old and has been improving his power the past few years. I could definitely see him as a 4 or 5 win player in RF for the Sox next year. I’d be happy with him or EE, to be honest, but I’ve been pushing for Castellanos all offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Wouldnt give him 60 million. I'd give the guy 1 year 22ish million with a chance to prove his bat has grown before hitting market again... betting on himself pretty much I agree with this . Unfortunately you and I know he probably wouldn't take a one year deal. Even if so wouldn't you rather have EE if that was the case? Money saved with EE can get you a better bullpen pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 How could the Cubs even afford Castellanos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Bad Hombre said: Boner time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If Robert signs something like that, there's a pretty good chance most of his money will be paid out after 4 or 5 seasons. Yep, they have to space it out because of the big contracts right now. Hypothetical 8/85. 2020: 2.5m 2021: 3.5m 2022: 8m 2023: 11m 2024: 13m 2025: 13m 2026: 15m 2027: 19m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Got to agree here. Surprising so many Sox fans are willing to throw all their chips in the pot the very first time they get the chance. Couldn't have said it better myself. give me EE . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sox80 said: Couldn't have said it better myself. give me EE . I agree with this. EE gives us a great lineup for year 1 of “we have arrived”. Have the extra flexibility for the trade deadline or next offseason when we know what we have a bit more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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