Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, poppysox said: You are entitled to your opinion. Careers define those opinions. You are also entitled to think that it will rain money, But it doesn't mean it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, poppysox said: You are entitled to your opinion. Stats prove out his opinion to be fact when it comes to Engel versus Maybin. Also, with Steve Stone tweeting that the Sox aren’t done making moves (most likely for bench pieces), it appears that Hahn may disagree with your opinion as well. Edited January 23, 2020 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Ideal bench players are guys who can play some defense and hit a bit. Engel is all glove and no bat and Leury is mediocre at both and makes boneheaded defensive plays. No fans of other teams are jealous for an Engel on their bench. James McCann as a backup catcher? Sure, but the rest of our bench is mostly mediocre to bad. Garcia is a guy that can play some defense and hit a bit. Engel has a glove that is valuable when corner outfielders don't have gloves. James McCann was on the All Star team. Engel and Garcia both have the additional plus of having some speed. I stand by my opinion that our backups are quite sufficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Stats prove out his opinion to be fact when it comes to Engel versus Maybin. Also, with Steve Stone tweeting that the Sox aren’t done making moves (most likely for bench pieces), it appears that Hahn may disagree with your opinion as well. That's Sox speak for welcome back Yolmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: That's Sox speak for welcome back Yolmer. I dunno, Yolmer himself telling kitekrazy's brother that he is no longer with the white sox is Sox Speak for he isn't coming back imo. Things could change but seems like they moved on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I dunno, Yolmer himself telling kitekrazy's brother that he is no longer with the white sox is Sox Speak for he isn't coming back imo. Things could change but seems like they moved on You might be right. Yolmer and Avi both priced themselves off the WS. Classic cases of 3 million dollar players needing to be paid 6 million. Since WS didn't invite Avi back...Sanchez might be in the same position. IMO Garcia, Engel, Sanchez and Avi where all OK as pieces...just overexposed as everyday starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, poppysox said: With Engel and Garcia we have ideal bench pieces but they have been over exposed to WS fans. If they had been doing their thing for another team...many here would b extolling their virtues. I get your Mr. Positivity, but this is complete bullshit. First off, most people here are completely fine with Leury as a bench piece. Engel is the issue for most of us and I seriously doubt any other team would have given him 1,000+ plate appearances. If we could rock a seven man bench sure he’d be great as a late inning defensive replacement, but most likely we’ll have a four man bench and we can’t afford one of those guys being a career 37% below league average when our entire OF lacks durability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I get your Mr. Positivity, but this is complete bullshit. First off, most people here are completely fine with Leury as a bench piece. Engel is the issue for most of us and I seriously doubt any other team would have given him 1,000+ plate appearances. If we could rock a seven man bench sure he’d be great as a late inning defensive replacement, but most likely we’ll have a four man bench and we can’t afford one of those guys being a career 37% below league average when our entire OF lacks durability. You seem to agree with his point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Not according to all the discussions going on in the Castellanos thread. Eh you can go with 2 OF on the bench. One for defensive purposes for CF and more of a bat first corner piece. Edited January 23, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, bmags said: You seem to agree with his point? No idea what you are talking about here. I fully disagree Adam Engel is a good bench player on a normal sized bench and he think he’s perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Eh you can go with 2 OF on the bench. One for defensive purposes for CF and more of a corner/depth piece. That sounds like Eaton and Garcia. I have offered up more than once a Pence type would also work. Players that field like Eaton and hit like Pence are starters somewhere not bench pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 With the 3 batter rule, why would the White Sox - or any team for that matter - carry 14 pitchers and 12 PP's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, poppysox said: With Engel and Garcia we have ideal bench pieces but they have been over exposed to WS fans. If they had been doing their thing for another team...many here would b extolling their virtues. I don’t think any White Sox fan would be clamoring for Adam Engel and Leury Garcia if they were on another team, but that’s just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I don’t think any White Sox fan would be clamoring for Adam Engel and Leury Garcia if they were on another team, but that’s just my opinion. True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: First off, most people here are completely fine with Leury as a bench piece. I'm not but I dislike Garcia more than most here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: No idea what you are talking about here. I fully disagree Adam Engel is a good bench player on a normal sized bench and he think he’s perfect. I think I have said he is well suited to our needs in a backup role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SoxAce said: I'm not but I dislike Garcia more than most here. I don’t mind him but you have to avoid overexposing him like last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, poppysox said: You might be right. Yolmer and Avi both priced themselves off the WS. Classic cases of 3 million dollar players needing to be paid 6 million. Since WS didn't invite Avi back...Sanchez might be in the same position. IMO Garcia, Engel, Sanchez and Avi where all OK as pieces...just overexposed as everyday starters. Make no mistakes, Yolmer and Avi played themselves off the white Sox. Both of them had bad years in critical seasons when the Sox had to shit or get off the pot. This is not a pricing issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Make no mistakes, Yolmer and Avi played themselves off the white Sox. Both of them had bad years in critical seasons when the Sox had to shit or get off the pot. This is not a pricing issue. I know you don't really believe this. Avi would have looked great in RF last year in comparison to what we had. Did you really believe Palka was going to outperform Avi in RF. Even "Mr. Positivity" didn't believe that Palka was the RF answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: With the 3 batter rule, why would the White Sox - or any team for that matter - carry 14 pitchers and 12 PP's? You can't carry 14. 13 max. But I agree with the premise. I think a 7 man bp would even be fine. I actually miss the days of 6 man BPs. Edited January 23, 2020 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t mind him but you have to avoid overexposing him like last year. This is the problem that poppysox is not accounting for. As long as Engel and Leury aren’t overexposed, they are okay as bench players. But Eloy does get hurt. We have seen what both Engel and Leury do when they get a lot of playing time and it isn’t very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, SoxAce said: I'm not but I dislike Garcia more than most here. Ahem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I don’t think any White Sox fan would be clamoring for Adam Engel and Leury Garcia if they were on another team, but that’s just my opinion. There really aren’t many bench players that are clamored over so, not that surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: I know you don't really believe this. Avi would have looked great in RF last year in comparison to what we had. Did you really believe Palka was going to outperform Avi in RF. Even "Mr. Positivity" didn't believe that Palka was the RF answer. No one thought Palka would be a better option than Avisail in RF but the Sox were still tanking for a high first round draft pick last year. Edited January 23, 2020 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Having a several page debate about the 5th OF is probably the best sign that Spring training needs to happen yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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