SonofaRoache Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The talk is we are between an 80 and 87 win team at the moment. Many think we can't catch the Twins because we finished 28 games behind them past year, and that we'd have to see significant progress from our youngsters. I agree, but a some things should be factored in. 1. We were nearly a .500 club at the break last year. 2. That losing streak after the break was the main reason our record tanked. We hot swept in 4 games by the Royals of all teams. 3. We had a ton of injuries. 4. We had 7 players playing regularly that had no business doing so. 5. We don't have a major weakness. Our bullpen will get much better as well. 6. Our main guys should produce more positive results than last season. 7. Detroit and KC suck bad and we should fare better against Cleveland and Minny. If we can stay relatively healthy and progress a little, I don't see why we can't win 90 games next season. The Twins were able to catch Cleveland by upgrading their roster and I think we can do the same. Enjoy the good times! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 95 wins easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: 95 wins easily Is this a joke or a serious post? I ask because I'm not sure 95 wins is easy for any team lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: The talk is we are between an 80 and 87 win team at the moment. Many think we can't catch the Twins because we finished 28 games behind them past year, and that we'd have to see significant progress from our youngsters. I agree, but a some things should be factored in. 1. We were nearly a .500 club at the break last year. 2. That losing streak after the break was the main reason our record tanked. We hot swept in 4 games by the Royals of all teams. 3. We had a ton of injuries. 4. We had 7 players playing regularly that had no business doing so. 5. We don't have a major weakness. Our bullpen will get much better as well. 6. Our main guys should produce more positive results than last season. 7. Detroit and KC suck bad and we should fare better against Cleveland and Minny. If we can stay relatively healthy and progress a little, I don't see why we can't win 90 games next season. The Twins were able to catch Cleveland by upgrading their roster and I think we can do the same. Enjoy the good times! I don't really want to make a numbers prediction, but I want to highlight points 4 and 5. This is HUGE. Some people have expressed disappointment that we got mid-tier free agents this offseason and not stars. First off, I'll ignore the fact that Grandal is one of the best catchers in baseball and Zack Wheeler has POTENTIAL to be a star but isn't actually one, yet. I never thought this team needed to add stars. Moncada, Gio and Timmy are already there, Jimenez is borderline and probably secures the label this year, and Robert, Madrigal, Kopech, Cease, and Vaughn are waiting in the wings. That's far more actual star power than, say, the 2005 team had. Our problem last year was weaknesses (which the 2005 team had almost none of). CF, RF, 2B, DH, most of our rotation, those were all enormous holes. We needed to fill them. Now we have. So yeah, I think this team will be very good and only bound to get better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Honestly, I think they could be really good. They will start the team as a competitive team. With probably Edwin and Grandal being our 4 and 5 hitters and Keuchel and Gio being our 2-3 starters. If everything goes right (which it probably won't), the middle of the order by June or July could be Robert-Moncada-Abreu-Eloy with Edwin and Grandal hitting 6 and 7. Wow would that be a deep and dangerous lineup. The order may not even matter that much in the middle, as they could have just a bunch of guys that can mash. In the rotation, Keuchel and Gio could legitimately be our 4 and 5 starters before too long. With Giolito, Kopech and Cease in front of them. When Rodon comes back, he may even force Gio out of the rotation (though I am an advocate of putting Rodon in the pen where I think he could stay healthier and just dominate). The most important question is can this team challenge the Yankees in a 7 game series. Things would have to go right, but I think they could. Having said that, I am so high on the futures of Kopech, Robert, Moncada and Eloy. I think Kopech has ace (as in one of the best few pitchers in baseball ace, not best guy on a particular team ace) potential. Put that with what Giolito has shown himself to be and that is a dangerous combination. With Robert, the sky is the limit. I wouldn't be surprised, if as a rookie (at least if he is up early) hits .265 with 35 doubles and 30 HRs. Not that I am expecting that, but I don't think it is out of the question either. Moncada is probably the most complete player on the team, and with a couple years of experience now, could be a legit candidate for an MVP, not saying he will be better than Trout, but he can do everything. If he improves just a little bit, he is an elite player. Once he got his feet under him, and his injuries behind him, Eloy mashed. His September was truly monstrous, and if that is a window into the hitter he can be, yikes. Having those three in the lineup with veterans like Abreu, Grandal and Edwin, and that is a tough group to face. I haven't even mentioned Tim, who is a completely dynamic player who is just scraping the surface of his talents and entering his prime. I wouldn't be surprised if he hit 25 HRs and 40 doubles next season. I am a bit curious to where in the lineup he hits, but wherever that is, I know Tim will hit and hit and hit. The pitching will determine how good they can be. The offense will be good. They will score runs. They'll be fun. If it comes together for Cease and Kopech, they could be among the best teams in the game next year. And they should just get better over the coming seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 85 wins, defense worries me a little. 93 wins if all goes right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoshPR said: 85 wins, defense worries me a little. 93 wins if all goes right. Agreed about the D. I'll say around 81-83 wins cause of Ricky's incompetence (I'm on record in saying he's going to be the weak link for this team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) The argument that because we lost to the Twins by 28 games last season, or whatever it was, is irrelevant. New season starts in March. I see us wining anywhere from 86 - 93 wins, all depending on health and also the impact that Robert, Madrigal, Cease, and Kopech will provide. If Giolito, Moncacada, and Anderson regress significantly, getting to 90 wins will be a be tough. Edited December 28, 2019 by HOFHurt35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Agreed about the D. I'll say around 81-83 wins cause of Ricky's incompetence (I'm on record in saying he's going to be the weak link for this team). Not only the D on the stat sheet. The bonehead plays. The ones that are leurys specialty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 It would be nice if Robert and Madrigal were up from the start of the season because they should naturally struggle a bit in the beginning acclimating to the speed of MLB. This year is going to be much more entertaining and the Sox could make the playoffs by dominating the Tigers and Royals but I still think 2021 is when we really start to roll. If I had to guess, I'd say 87 wins in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) If you get breakouts from a few pitchers this very well could be a 100 win team. Probably not. But they COULD be that good Edited December 28, 2019 by mqr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, wegner said: It would be nice if Robert and Madrigal were up from the start of the season because they should naturally struggle a bit in the beginning acclimating to the speed of MLB. This year is going to be much more entertaining and the Sox could make the playoffs by dominating the Tigers and Royals but I still think 2021 is when we really start to roll. If I had to guess, I'd say 87 wins in 2020. This part here, can we finally have a prospect who just blows up on the scene from jump street? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said: This part here, can we finally have a prospect who just blows up on the scene from jump street? If Robert was to do that...this offense would be crazy good!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: This part here, can we finally have a prospect who just blows up on the scene from jump street? It was going to be Kopech before he got injured. Gotta hope for Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, SonofaRoache said: Is this a joke or a serious post? I ask because I'm not sure 95 wins is easy for any team lol. Easy no...doable yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) Strong Defense up the middle - Grandal, Anderson,Madrigal and Robert. Marginal defense from Eloy and Mazara but they can be substituted for in late innings to minimize that. Moncada is a potential All Star at the hot corner. If the Sox get out to big leads, corner outfield defense will become less critical. No worries about a guy tagging up and scoring in the 8th inning for a team that is behind by 7 runs. I agree with Steve Stone that this is the best White Sox line-up (for those of us who remember back that far) since the 1977 Southside Hitmen. Not sure about the starting pitching or the relievers but they might be more effective than expected. They will likely experience a lot less stress on the mound pitching with a big lead than worrying about every pitch in game after game. The Sox are are going to blow out a lot of teams with football score numbers. Then momentum will start to set in with the fan base and the team. Order extra fireworks. I predict that we win the division and then we go as far as luck will take us in the playoffs. Edited December 28, 2019 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 They need a couple of young pitchers to step up and a manager. New decade, anything goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, tray said: Strong Defense up the middle - Grandal, Anderson,Madrigal and Robert. Marginal defense from Eloy and Mazara but they can be substituted for in late innings to minimize that. Moncada is a potential All Star at the hot corner. If the Sox get out to big leads, corner outfield defense will become less critical. No worries about a guy tagging up and scoring in the 8th inning for a team that is behind by 7 runs. I agree with Steve Stone that this is the best White Sox line-up (for those of us who remember back that far) since the 1977 Southside Hitmen. Not sure about the starting pitching or the relievers but they might be more effective than expected. They will likely experience a lot less stress on the mound pitching with a big lead than worrying about every pitch in game after game. The Sox are are going to blow out a lot of teams with football score numbers. Then momentum will start to set in with the fan base and the team. Order extra fireworks. I predict that we win the division and then we go as far as luck will take us in the playoffs. I like your thinking! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, tray said: I agree with Steve Stone that this is the best White Sox line-up (for those of us who remember back that far) since the 1977 Southside Hitmen. The 2000 lineup was the highest scoring team in baseball. 1977 was only the 4th highest that year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Not only the D on the stat sheet. The bonehead plays. The ones that are leurys specialty Abreu is up there too with the dumb (mostly his baserunning). It's still hard to really evaluate until this offseason is over. Still need a couple of more pieces (namely the bullpen). Might push the total up a tad bit depending on who the Sox get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: The 2000 lineup was the highest scoring team in baseball. 1977 was only the 4th highest that year. 2000 was crazy good. I think we had 7 guys in the lineup with .800+ OPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don't see why the team can't win 117 games this coming 2020 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The 2000 lineup was the highest scoring team in baseball. 1977 was only the 4th highest that year. 2000 team mashed. Pitching wasn't very good. Pen was alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: The argument that because we lost to the Twins by 28 games last season, or whatever it was, is irrelevant. New season starts in March. I see us wining anywhere from 86 - 93 wins, all depending on health and also the impact that Robert, Madrigal, Cease, and Kopech will provide. If Giolito, Moncacada, and Anderson regress significantly, getting to 90 wins will be a be tough. It might be better to consider if they will improve during the season. Right now the 4ALC is looking down but the Twins might make some moves. The Tribe is not looking viable long term with their payroll moves. The Sox could be a top second half squad due to player development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I think they can win 85-88 games. I think they can win 92-95 if Cease makes a jump and Kopech comes back and has a decent impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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