Moan4Yoan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 7:16 AM, SoxAce said: Oh he's bringing it. The McCullers vs Clevenger Twitter exchange got waaaay too personal though. Had no idea Clevenger did what he did to his family. Expand The Clevenger story sucks, mostly for the two kids involved, but there is always two sides to every story. And if you check out his ex-partner’s Twitter, she comes across as a total nut-bag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.crawfishboxes.com/2020/1/13/21064786/houston-astros-you-reap-what-you-sow Great opinion piece by a Stros fan...and McCullers better hope Clevinger is traded out of the AL soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 7:16 AM, SoxAce said: Oh he's bringing it. The McCullers vs Clevenger Twitter exchange got waaaay too personal though. Had no idea Clevenger did what he did to his family. Expand What did Clevenger do to his family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 4:51 AM, Timmy U said: I don’t think the sign-stealing helped him hit all that much. Expand While that is true, first of all the report specifically says that it was impossible for anyone to be around the Astros dugout without knowing that this was going on, so at the best he's content looking the other way when people are cheating to help him win a title. That does not say anything good for his character. Secondly, as you can see in the posts right above - there has also been a history of allegations of ball doctoring associated with the Astros pitching staff, and the evidence of that happening wouldn't be as clearly recorded as the sounds on video. Do you have confidence that this player was actually clean of that? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 1:02 PM, Balta1701 said: While that is true, first of all the report specifically says that it was impossible for anyone to be around the Astros dugout without knowing that this was going on, so at the best he's content looking the other way when people are cheating to help him win a title. That does not say anything good for his character. Secondly, as you can see in the posts right above - there has also been a history of allegations of ball doctoring associated with the Astros pitching staff, and the evidence of that happening wouldn't be as clearly recorded as the sounds on video. Do you have confidence that this player was actually clean of that? I don't. Expand What would you like to be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 1:04 PM, Kyyle23 said: What would you like to be done Expand I know it won't happen but I'd love if the press dogged every one of the former Astros with questions about this all year. Ask him why we should trust that he's not a cheater at Soxfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Not sure I would want the distraction of the press hounding him all year long over this when the white sox are trying to move on to the next phase of their rebuild. i would like him to release some sort of statement but I would hope that statement doesn't include "I never saw anything" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28477741/why-anger-boiling-scenes-houston-astros-sign-stealing-punishments I wanted time stand and applaud after reading this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Also bravo for Passan not just parroting the harshness I’d the penalty (cough Rosenthal cough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I don't think Cora will get hit as hard as Hinch was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On 1/14/2020 at 1:54 PM, bmags said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28477741/why-anger-boiling-scenes-houston-astros-sign-stealing-punishments I wanted time stand and applaud after reading this. Expand How is an MLB commissioner only allowed to fine a team up to $5 million dollars? That is chump change to these teams. The price of a bench player for a year. Edited January 14, 2020 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 2:12 PM, Moan4Yoan said: How is an MLB commissioner only allowed to fine a team up to $5 million dollars? That is chump change to these teams. The price of a bench player for a year. Expand Probably agreed upon in the CBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 1:54 PM, bmags said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28477741/why-anger-boiling-scenes-houston-astros-sign-stealing-punishments I wanted time stand and applaud after reading this. Expand It's amazing that Crane was able to simply wash his hands of this whole mess. He should be out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 2:12 PM, Moan4Yoan said: How is an MLB commissioner only allowed to fine a team up to $5 million dollars? That is chump change to these teams. The price of a bench player for a year. Expand On 1/14/2020 at 2:18 PM, Kyyle23 said: Probably agreed upon in the CBA Expand I read when this was all coming out there is a maximum amount Manfred is allowed to fine. It was something around 5-8 million iirc. But yeah the number is hilariously low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 2:23 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's amazing that Crane was able to simply wash his hands of this whole mess. He should be out too. Expand Manfred silencing other owners from speaking while allowing Crane to disagree with one of the big findings that would implicate him is just really *chefs kiss* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 1:26 PM, Kyyle23 said: Not sure I would want the distraction of the press hounding him all year long over this when the white sox are trying to move on to the next phase of their rebuild. i would like him to release some sort of statement but I would hope that statement doesn't include "I never saw anything" Expand He won’t issue a statement even though he was supposedly one of that teams veteran leaders. If he comes out and has a 4.75 ERA at the end of April people should be asking him about it, but we know that’ll be forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 2:51 PM, bmags said: Manfred silencing other owners from speaking while allowing Crane to disagree with one of the big findings that would implicate him is just really *chefs kiss* Expand Manfred and Crane orchestrated the shit out of this. They understood they couldn't disipline the players so that's where they decided to point all the blame. "The players" did it. No individuals just "the players." Oh and with help from the guy who doesn't work here anymore. Saying they had no knowledge of what was going on just insults everyone's intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:05 PM, Balta1701 said: He won’t issue a statement even though he was supposedly one of that teams veteran leaders. If he comes out and has a 4.75 ERA at the end of April people should be asking him about it, but we know that’ll be forgotten about. Expand Hey now: Not everyone can be a leader the caliber of, say, a Drake LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:05 PM, Balta1701 said: He won’t issue a statement even though he was supposedly one of that teams veteran leaders. If he comes out and has a 4.75 ERA at the end of April people should be asking him about it, but we know that’ll be forgotten about. Expand Why? What is the point of hounding him about it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 2:01 PM, oldsox said: I don't think Cora will get hit as hard as Hinch was. Expand They should throw the book at him. A big book. Like a text book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:25 PM, soxfan2014 said: Why? What is the point of hounding him about it? Expand I'm wondering this as well. Not sure it accomplishes anything. Also not sure how his era at the end of April is some sort of trigger to go at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 11:33 AM, Chicago White Sox said: What did Clevenger do to his family? Expand Also curious what Clevenger did to his family....someone want to fill us in on the juicy gossip? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:54 PM, ChiSox59 said: Also curious what Clevenger did to his family....someone want to fill us in on the juicy gossip? Expand There is a Bauer McCullers Clevinger interaction last night and I think either Clevingers girl on the side or a baby momma jumped into the middle of it and it got messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:43 PM, Kyyle23 said: I'm wondering this as well. Not sure it accomplishes anything. Also not sure how his era at the end of April is some sort of trigger to go at him Expand If there won't be any punishment for the players who either were directly involved with or at best looked the other way while their team cheated blatantly en route to a world series win, should other teams fans just be ok with and accepting of those players? We signed one of the highest profile players on a team that is as of now the biggest MLB scandal in a decade. Do we just shrug our shoulders and admit that we're all ok with what the Astros did now that he's on our team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 3:43 PM, Kyyle23 said: Also not sure how his era at the end of April is some sort of trigger to go at him Expand He did quite alright last year. Also doubly not sure what a sign stealing scandal has to do with Dallas Keuchal's ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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