tray Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) The White Sox -Yankee game in the cornfields of Iowa this year should probably never have been allowed to move forward. but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. What was the idea....to strangely commemorate the impact that gambling had in 1919 ? Now, unlike 1919, wealth, greed and gambling are all so much more a part of what and who we are as Americans...not only the wealthy players, but greedy management, owners and the proliferation of the sports gambling industry. I am sick about players that participated in this, possibly including our own Dallas Keuchel. I'm not sure what mlb should do about it since the credibility of the game hangs in the balance until this gets resolved. At minimum, players who knew or participated in this scheme should be fined. I hate to become a conspiracy theorist but this cheating was so outrageous that it makes me wonder how far this went....did it possibly involve other players or other teams ...like the Twins. Maybe instead of the baseball being juiced the players just knew when they were going to get a pitch and loaded up for it. Yes, this makes fans wonder how far this went. Look at the Twins catcher who seems to have awoken as a power hitter for the first time after 6 years in the minors and 2 years in the majors. The Twins hit over 300 home runs including over 30 by him. Yea, say it ain't so, 'stros,. Maybe have a double header in Iowa between 'the Astros and Yankees. Edited January 16, 2020 by tray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 So it knocked out 10% of the managers in major league baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, mqr said: There is. There's always been. There always will be. If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 ^^^ I knew who said that, bu it's bu ls h 1t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying. This phrase needs to go away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, flavum said: This phrase needs to go away. We've had 2 major cheating scandals in this sport in 20 years and it fundamentally shapes the sport right now. If the sport is decided by who has the best illegal chemist or best way to hide their rule-breaking, why watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 42 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: Told the Mets it's best if he "steps down". Is there any high road left? Don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, flavum said: This phrase needs to go away. It can, but it doesn't change the fact it occurs in all sports and always will when there is competition and millions of dollars on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Soooo should Yordan Alvarez be stripped of his ROY award? Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, tray said: The White Sox -Yankee game in the cornfields of Iowa this year should probably never have been allowed to move forward. but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. What was the idea....to strangely commemorate the impact that gambling had in 1919 ? Now, unlike 1919, wealth, greed and gambling are all so much more a part of what and who we are as Americans...not only the wealthy players, but greedy management, owners and the proliferation of the sports gambling industry. I am sick about players that participated in this, possibly including our own Dallas Keuchel. I'm not sure what mlb should do about it since the credibility of the game hangs in the balance until this gets resolved. At minimum, players who knew or participated in this scheme should be fined. I hate to become a conspiracy theorist but this cheating was so outrageous that it makes me wonder how far this went....did it possibly involve other players or other teams ...like the Twins. Maybe instead of the baseball being juiced the players just knew when they were going to get a pitch and loaded up for it. Yes, this makes fans wonder how far this went. Look at the Twins catcher who seems to have awoken as a power hitter for the first time after 6 years in the minors and 2 years in the majors. The Twins hit over 300 home runs including over 30 by him. Yea, say it ain't so, 'stros,. Maybe have a double header in Iowa between 'the Astros and Yankees. From what I've heard Manfred and MLB are in serious damage control right now and Manfred wants to keep things quiet as possible. I heard th eres possibility of up to 10 teams doing the same.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Soooo should Yordan Alvarez be stripped of his ROY award? Just saying... If you're going to strip anyone of anything, #1 on the list is that world series title. Unless they are willing to do that there's no good reason to pull away individual awards, as that title is the most contaminated part of this right now since we know 100% they were doing this to the Dodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: We've had 2 major cheating scandals in this sport in 20 years and it fundamentally shapes the sport right now. If the sport is decided by who has the best illegal chemist or best way to hide their rule-breaking, why watch? It depends on why you watch and what you consider the line not to cross when cheating. If you watch for entertainment, it doesn't matter. If you consider PED and sign stealing equal in crimes, you shouldn't put everything on the outcomes of games. Personally, I don't consider sign stealing and PEDs the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Beltran's niece should join our org to replace Yonder Alonso and Jon Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: It depends on why you watch and what you consider the line not to cross when cheating. If you watch for entertainment, it doesn't matter. If you consider PED and sign stealing equal in crimes, you shouldn't put everything on the outcomes of games. Personally, I don't consider sign stealing and PEDs the same. You don't find that fair contests of skill are more entertaining than rigged ones? If I wanted something where one side was going to win based on something decided behind the scenes rather than the skill of the people involved, I could go be a wrestling fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: It can, but it doesn't change the fact it occurs in all sports and always will when there is competition and millions of dollars on the line. Right, but I guess my point would be: that phrase makes it sound like everybody should ignore rules. My hope is that most players know that if a substance is banned, you just don’t do it. Kind of like gambling rule- you just don’t do it, because if you do, you’re gone. On the Astros thing, I think it’s something that starts off small, and then it eventually spirals out of control. It did, and now people have lost their jobs and everyone knows you can’t be in the batters box and actually know what’s coming with the aid of cameras...that isn’t sports. That isn’t fair competition. Yes, there will always be some cheating and trying to get away with stuff, but these elaborate schemes have to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, flavum said: Right, but I guess my point would be: that phrase makes it sound like everybody should ignore rules. My hope is that most players know that if a substance is banned, you just don’t do it. Kind of like gambling rule- you just don’t do it, because if you do, you’re gone. On the Astros thing, I think it’s something that starts off small, and then it eventually spirals out of control. It did, and now people have lost their jobs and everyone knows you can’t be in the batters box and actually know what’s coming with the aid of cameras...that isn’t sports. That isn’t fair competition. Yes, there will always be some cheating and trying to get away with stuff, but these elaborate schemes have to stop. I agree with all of this. However, for the reasons I stated, it's not realistic. I would prefer that absolutely no cheating occurred ever, even with my students. However, with what's on the line, its just not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You don't find that fair contests of skill are more entertaining than rigged ones? If I wanted something where one side was going to win based on something decided behind the scenes rather than the skill of the people involved, I could go be a wrestling fan. I agree. However not everyone shares the same point of view. Some say let everyone do whatever they want and it's a fair playing field. I would like there to be absolutely no cheating but with all that's on the line, it's just not realistic. When caught however, the punishment should fit the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, ptatc said: It can, but it doesn't change the fact it occurs in all sports and always will when there is competition and millions of dollars on the line. It’s true in literally every walk of life. That’s just the unfortunate reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 ^ Probably why Altuve didn’t want his jersey ripped off after the walk off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said: ? Almost looks like a port for IV injections. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 @Kyyle23 what am i supposed to be seeing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: @Kyyle23 what am i supposed to be seeing there? An IV port? Edited January 16, 2020 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: @Kyyle23 what am i supposed to be seeing there? Possibly a buzzing device maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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