flavum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Man everyone has something to say now lmao Kids, don’t put “the” in front of MLB in this context. K thx bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Man everyone has something to say now lmao The part about Trout and the thyroid can't be true. It doesn't make sense. Thyroid issue are treated by hormones but not HGH. A pituitary issue could be treated with HGH but not thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, ptatc said: No my point is that it's going to happen and it can't be stopped. However, when they are caught, they should be punished appropriately. Others on the board have said that cheating should be stopped. My point is that it isn't realistic to say "cheating should stop." I see. Well, MLB should do everything in its power to stop it. Theft will also never stop. Neither will murder. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to deter and punish them. If you just keep repeating "it's not realistic to try and stop" bad behavior you're really walking a fine line between worldly realism and apologism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Got it, thanks. I just thought it was assumed we already knew MLB was lying, or at least covering something up, due to the weakness of the original punishment The punishment wasn't weak. They pretty much went as far as they could for first time punishments. They can't go from no precedent to life time bans instantly. If they tried this with the players, the union would get involved. If the GM or managers had a union, this would be in grievance right now. The next punishments will be greater due to this precedent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The internet is calling for Jessica Mendozas head. Let's hope they get it. What an idiot and since shes a terrible broadcaster it would be a net win for everyone to make Sunday Night Baseball watchable again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said: I see. Well, MLB should do everything in its power to stop it. Theft will also never stop. Neither will murder. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything we can to deter and punish them. If you just keep repeating "it's not realistic to try and stop" bad behavior you're really walking a fine line between worldly realism and apologism. Hence my comment about, if they are caught they should be appropriately punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I think this puts Manfred leadership in serious doubts. For the good of the sport I think Manfred needs to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, ptatc said: The punishment wasn't weak. They pretty much went as far as they could for first time punishments. They can't go from no precedent to life time bans instantly. If they tried this with the players, the union would get involved. If the GM or managers had a union, this would be in grievance right now. The next punishments will be greater due to this precedent. Yes, it wasn't weak from a standpoint of what they could have done, but it was weak in the sense that a World Series championship far outweighs the penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, Jose Abreu said: Yes, it wasn't weak from a standpoint of what they could have done, but it was weak in the sense that a World Series championship far outweighs the penalties I mean, I think the 10% of MLB managers that lost their jobs, would still very much rather have their job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 This made me laugh harder than it should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, mqr said: I mean, I think the 10% of MLB managers that lost their jobs, would still very much rather have their job I don't care about the managers, I care about the prospect of something similar happening again, and the punishment did not do much to dissuade similar future plots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Yes, it wasn't weak from a standpoint of what they could have done, but it was weak in the sense that a World Series championship far outweighs the penalties I'm not sure that was the case. Why didn't other teams do like the Farqhar did for the Sox and simply change signs every other at bat or so to confuse the Astros. Everyone knew they were doing it, so change it yourself. Teams probably didn't turn the Astros in because they were doing it themselves. It may not have been as advanced but many were probably doing it. Edited January 16, 2020 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I don't care about the managers, I care about the prospect of something similar happening again, and the punishment did not do much to dissuade similar future plots It can't happen on a team wide basis without the managers knowledge. Now the managers can go to the players and instead of saying "stop it, it's wrong" they can say "stop it I don't want to lose my job." This will hit home more with the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, reiks12 said: That's Beltran's niece's Reddit throwaway acct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: I'm not sure that was the case. Why didn't other teams do like the Farqhar did for the Sox and simply change signs every other at bat or so to confuse the Astros. Everyone knew they were doing it, so change it yourself. Teams probably didn't turn the Astros in because they were doing it themselves. It may not have been as advanced but many were probably doing it. It sure seems like in 2017 teams didn't really realize the Astros were doing this, Farquhar seems to have legitimately been the first to recognize it and the fact that he figured it out made the astros panic that they had been caught so they started destroying the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Who knows how widespread this is, but it’s going to be real interesting to see if foul balls go way down, and swings and misses go up league wide. They could probably point to the baseball if runs scored goes down this year, but 2020 might be an eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The baseball subreddit is getting dangerously close to 'we did it reddit' levels of dumb over the confetti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Just now, flavum said: Who knows how widespread this is, but it’s going to be real interesting to see if foul balls go way down, and swings and misses go up league wide. They could probably point to the baseball if runs scored goes down this year, but 2020 might be an eye opener. Need to correlate that with the liveliness of the ball as well. Could be an interesting year for the pitchers in their contract years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Im also interested to see how Bregman, Altuve, and Springer get treated in away games. Looking forward to their trip to Yankee stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Anybody who thinks Trout isn't on PEDs is incredibly naive. I've been saying it for years. It's pretty obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, mqr said: The baseball subreddit is getting dangerously close to 'we did it reddit' levels of dumb over the confetti I agree. I hate when this happens too because it tends to help the astros. More and more unbelievable stories come out, you find out they aren't true, and it makes it "not so bad" when all they did was bang a trash can. If Passan/Rosenthal/mlb start looking into the accusations, i'll believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bmags said: I agree. I hate when this happens too because it tends to help the astros. More and more unbelievable stories come out, you find out they aren't true, and it makes it "not so bad" when all they did was bang a trash can. If Passan/Rosenthal/mlb start looking into the accusations, i'll believe it. All for getting to the bottom of this stuff, but the 'investigative reporting' and head hunting going on from internet dorks* is getting out of hand. *aware of the irony Edited January 16, 2020 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 having hilarious dreams of mlb regulating the crap out of technology and throwing out trackman and advanced tech, devastating all organizations... ...except the white sox who own the next decade because they never got started. 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, mqr said: All for getting to the bottom of this stuff, but the 'investigative reporting' and head hunting going on from internet dorks is getting out of hand. we never learn from much worse examples like the boston bomber crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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